Range Spam in Eu1

[Cyber]

And on top of that, you have retarded native players (Cyber, Mauwits, etc etc) who insist that there is no actuall spam/hitslash in c-rpg, and that you don`t know the game well enough.

I started playing c-rpg believing that it  would be more balanced than native, but in the end, it`s the same shit.

Native > endless ranged spam > lolstab macro feint heroes
c-rpg > endless ranged spam > lolstab macro feint heroes


I never claimed that I`m a skilled player, but over the last months, I improved a lot, and it really annoys me to see, that even though I have better footwork and better parrying skill than the majority of this community, they kill me just because they can hitslash, or hit me with a random stab from out of nowhere.

I never insisted thet here is no actual hitslash/spam in cRPG, what I did insist is that you are a unskilled idiot who likes to spew nonsense while not understanding the melee mechanics of this game at all.

What I said about spamming is that it's no more or less valid way of getting a hit on your enemy then feinting/chambering/kicking or whatever else, enemy only gets a hit on you by spamming if you make a mistake and using the "omfg u only got me by spamming hurr durr" line holds no meaning whatsoever.

Now, if you think that macro feinting can actually help you in cRPG then I guess there is not even much point talking to you. It's not some native elitist crap, it's just a fact that atleast for 1v1 fighting it's simply not possible to feint well with 2h, macros are not going to make the impossible possible and in battle they would be even more useless.

In native people who might struggle fighting vs macro feints are the ones who don't know the game yet and get overwhelmed, for skilled players having macro feints would hinder them and it's easy to get a hit mid feint on a player who is using macros.

What your skill consist of is shitty blocking, using some really basic feints, never trying doing anything advanced, thinking that this takes skill and ofc whining about anyone else not wanting to be bored out of their mind by actually trying to do something else turning the fights. I beat you 5-0 while spamming in some duels, then you whined about that, then I beat you by literally doing nothing else then boring endurance play, didn't that make you happy?

[CrazyCracka420]

wahh the enemy is using their strengths to their advantage, and trying to minimize exposure to their weaknesses...wahh

It's the same ranged QQ threads every week, every month, every year.   Ranged are the main bane of my horse, but I still disagree with all the ranged QQ.  They're nerfed to shit as it is.

[Necrorave]

wahh the enemy is using their strengths to their advantage, and trying to minimize exposure to their weaknesses...wahh

It's the same ranged QQ threads every week, every month, every year.   Ranged are the main bane of my horse, but I still disagree with all the ranged QQ.  They're nerfed to shit as it is.

This, as well as what I mentioned before.  Anyone can use ranged.  Although, I am apparently a retard because people take pride in not using 2 slots to shoot back.

[Kafein]

wahh the enemy is using their strengths to their advantage, and trying to minimize exposure to their weaknesses...wahh

It's the same ranged QQ threads every week, every month, every year.   Ranged are the main bane of my horse, but I still disagree with all the ranged QQ.  They're nerfed to shit as it is.

And of course as statistically normal human beings, the people that complain about archers are worthless and their opinions can be completely disregarded whatsoever. People that say everything is fine are right by definition and should be listened to exclusively, because the existence of a problem and a corresponding solution is impossible.

which is about as much fun as you're having to get shot to pieces.

I so wish that was true

Also Cyber, spam pushes your enemy towards a defensive playstyle and extends the fights, I don't see how that's a good thing.

[CrazyCracka420]

Kafein, it's not a problem is what I'm suggesting.  And to play devil's advocate:  If there is a problem, it doesn't lie with the ranged, it lies with the people crying about ranged.  Adapt or die.  That's what happens in wars and conflict throughout history.   

[NuberT]

wahh the enemy is using their strengths to their advantage, and trying to minimize exposure to their weaknesses...wahh

It's the same ranged QQ threads every week, every month, every year.   Ranged are the main bane of my horse, but I still disagree with all the ranged QQ.  They're nerfed to shit as it is.

Its not about nerfing ranged, its about encouraging them to go melee (again), since there is sometimes so many of them, that gameplay for many other classes is fucked up.

I am playing a lot with all kinds of classes with my stf char, I gave up archery after ~20 minutes.
Throwing is just fun atm, well as long as I have a shield to switch into melee mode.
And xbow, at least with arbarlest, is like playing awp in counter strike, everyone hates you for a reason .

[Necrorave]

And of course as statistically normal human beings, the people that complain about archers are worthless and their opinions can be completely disregarded whatsoever. People that say everything is fine are right by definition and should be listened to exclusively, because the existence of a problem and a corresponding solution is impossible.

You are right about this (The sarcastic aspect of it, not literal), although you already know that half the stuff posted here is mostly to benefit the one who posted it.  (Mostly being the key word.)

I am all about balance, but people claiming something should be done about the abnormal amount of players playing what they want is not balancing.  (Considering it is not even that powerful alone.)  It is the players choice to be an archer and work together with other archers.  It is the players choice to be a melee build.

It's the same as Rock, Paper, Scissors.
It is the players choice to choose rock, it is the players choice to choose paper.

OP: "I refuse to use paper and I am a Rock.  Too much paper out there."

I am not saying if he has a valid point or not, but I personally do not see a need to change anything.

Its not about nerfing ranged, its about encouraging them to go melee (again), since there is sometimes so many of them, that gameplay for many other classes is fucked up.

Melee gets waaaay more points than a ranged build on average.  I figure that is already some encouragement.

[Ronin]

Hmm the rock,paper and scissors discussion again.

I must say I don't quite agree with this logic. Because it makes you superior against something, and poor against something else. Completely Disregarding your personal skills.

But do not understand me wrong, I don't agree with this logic but the game is also not based on it too.

If you're a non-shielder, you have a lot of options against ranged. The common knowns are:

-Get a shield lol.
-Get a sidearm (throwing etc)

If you still want to be a melee specialist you can simply do:
-Hide behind shields
-Seek cover
-Get more Ironflesh for extra survivability
-Dodging
-Go higher agi (to hunt/chase archers, better movement in battlefield, dodging advantages, even easier to use covers etc.)
-Low lighter armor (same logic with going higher agi)


I played 2h. I never cried when I got shot, because it was my fucking fault most of the time!!!!!!!. I either failed doing teamwork, finding cover or dodging.

If you can succesfully dodge, that means the enemy archer is wasting his time as well as his ammo. Besides, the killing speed of melee players outmatch the killing speed of ranged in every aspect. While a good 2h hero can chop 5 heads, the archer will only have the time to kill 2 people with the best luck. If one team has more archers, it also means they have less melee players; which makes them much more worse at melee combat simply because of the reason that they will be outnumbered.

[Necrorave]

Hmm the rock,paper and scissors discussion again.
I must say I don't quite agree with this logic. Because it makes you superior against something, and poor against something else. Completely Disregarding your personal skills.

I am not using it to describe the balance of them game.  Merely the idea of the discussion and the Choices players make.  I just wanted to clear it with you though because you make my small penis hard, I was not referring to game balance when I used that analogy.

You are right though with the rest of your post.

[Ronin]

because you make my small penis hard

Umm... should I be proud?

[Falka]

Anyway, I prefer playing ranged because I am not very good at melee, and that means that I get cut to pieces vs. most of the long time players which is about as much fun as you're having to get shot to pieces.
I will always stay ranged, no matter how much you cry and how much anybody might nerf xbows. I changed my build from standart arbalest 15/24 to heavy xbow 12/27 to compensate for the weight increase and changed medium armor to light armor.
And I dont care if I have to switch to hunting xbow and make a 6/33 build to be able to run from dedicated melee guys, I will do it. From time to time I stay and fight somebody with my melee weapon, sometimes I even get out of it alive. But this is simply not the playstyle I like.

This is attitude which I like. +1 well deserved I can despise your playstyle, your weapon choice, think it's gay to play like u play, but I also think that everyone has the right to play in his own way. Who am I to say which way is better and which one is worse. That's why I'm trying not to whine about other classes (hoplites are gays! QQ), other players and don't blame mechanics for my failures and for my deaths. I also find it really stupid to whine how easy is this or that class and how hard and "elitist" is my class.

As someone said, getting angry is part of this game.

[Grumpy_Nic]

Well shitty attitude I'd say, instead of trying to become better you become a dick .

I play melee for like 2,5 years and there are still many people who beat me in 9 out of 10 fights, but at least I tried to become better..

Its not that I'm not trying to become better in the game, I just enjoy ranged the most. And guess what, I'm playing a game to enjoy my free time and nothing else. I have a 2h, polearmer, 1h/shielder, thrower, xbower and a cav character, all of them are lvl31/30, one of them close to 30. But ranged is simply the one thing I enjoy the most in this game, and one of the reasons is the fact that 90% of the 2h/polearmers (or lets say melee guys that dont use shields) are not able to adapt and keep charging ranged teams just to die.
The shitty part about this is that all these morons go to the forum afterwards and QQ and cry for nerfs, and they are listened to and the nerfs become true. And it will stay this way as long as there is anything close to a projectile in this game.

[Panos]

What your skill consist of is shitty blocking, using some really basic feints, never trying doing anything advanced, thinking that this takes skill and ofc whining about anyone else not wanting to be bored out of their mind by actually trying to do something else turning the fights. I beat you 5-0 while spamming in some duels, then you whined about that, then I beat you by literally doing nothing else then boring endurance play, didn't that make you happy?

Yesterday we dueled like 10 times, you were playing as a 2h, and I beat you like 8 times, god I knew I should take SS.

Sorry master Cyber, please forgive me if a humble peasant like me irritated you.

[Teeth]

QQ didnt read the last 8 pages, probably the same shit all the time.

Anyway, I prefer playing ranged because I am not very good at melee, and that means that I get cut to pieces vs. most of the long time players which is about as much fun as you're having to get shot to pieces.
I will always stay ranged, no matter how much you cry and how much anybody might nerf xbows. I changed my build from standart arbalest 15/24 to heavy xbow 12/27 to compensate for the weight increase and changed medium armor to light armor.
And I dont care if I have to switch to hunting xbow and make a 6/33 build to be able to run from dedicated melee guys, I will do it. From time to time I stay and fight somebody with my melee weapon, sometimes I even get out of it alive. But this is simply not the playstyle I like.
And I hope you melee guys keep the same outfit so I know who to look out for.

Cheers

Hurrdurr, can't fight in melee so I go ranged and maximize my ability to avoid fighting in melee. Bet you are on of those my old friends climbing every roof and mountain he can lay his eyes own. You simply can't balance classes when there are people so desperate to avoid half the gameplay of this game.

See the problem here? You don't like fighting melee because you get pwnd, so you avoid it. I don't like getting shot at because I get pwnd, can't avoid it. I think you should be forced to deal with melee the same way I am forced to deal with ranged.

[Grumpy_Nic]

Hurrdurr, can't fight in melee so I go ranged and maximize my ability to avoid fighting in melee. Bet you are on of those my old friends climbing every roof and mountain he can lay his eyes own. You simply can't balance classes when there are people so desperate to avoid half the gameplay of this game.

See the problem here? You don't like fighting melee because you get pwnd, so you avoid it. I don't like getting shot at because I get pwnd, can't avoid it. I think you should be forced to deal with melee the same way I am forced to deal with ranged.

Well you got the point. And I repeat, I play a game to enjoy it. If I cant enjoy it I turn it off. You need to learn that this is not life, its a game.