The new Xbox

[Leshma]

Terraria was successful because it was quite different than Minecraft was at that point. It had some things Minecraft didn't and it looked completely different. It's like calling Android an iOS clone. Yes, the original idea was "taken" (we can't surely know that, because some games are a lot longer in development) from Minecraft but later, many things from Terraria were added in Minecraft.

Java was a terrible choice from the start. Only excuse for it could be his desire to run Minecraft on other systems without having to worry much about porting and optimization. You simply do not make 3D engines using programming language (environment) that utilizes virtual machine.

[Kafein]

Java is also much easier to quickly and cleanly create something that works without failing than say C++. It is crap for 3D graphics (right now anyway, as that could change in the future), but the differences in CPU related tasks aren't that evident actually. New JVM versions have gotten incredibly good at optimizing your code. Also, they do so at runtime which means they know everything about your PC, which helps compiling to the most efficient native code. C++ applications are usually compiled to run nicely on a broad range of processors which means you don't get the last few % out of very processor-specific hacks. Right now though, you are 100% right. Especially for things like minecraft with a huge visible world, C++ would really be much better.

[cmp]

Right now though, you are 100% right. Especially for things like minecraft with a huge visible world, C++ would really be much better.

Minecraft's problem is not Java, it's a mediocre Java programmer.

[Kafein]

Minecraft's problem is not Java, it's a mediocre Java programmer.

Well, do you know how is minecraft optimized and what is lacking ? Cause I don't :s

[cmp]

Lots of things, although some are getting fixed by the new, more competent developers. The graphics engine is sub par even for that kind of game, lacking some basic features like mipmapping (fixed by mods), but the biggest flaw is probably the absence of proper multi-threading. I can understand core game logic not being threaded (very hard to pull off), but things like chunk loading are perfect candidates for that (IIRC there's a mod for that too).

Also, we're really getting off-topic here.

[Ganner]

Well finally they show some respect for the customer and apologize

[Molly]

Really? Microsoft having customer insight? What about this?

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I'm laughing so hard...

Edit: On second thought... Steam is the same shit, isn't it?

[Tibe]

Honestly I think its lot more easy to get banned from LIVE than Steam. But overall yea. Rather have a PS4 where you dont loose all your bought games than Xbox where there is a possibility.

[Lennu]

Only good thing with consoles is that you can play Crash Team Racing with your friends and drink beer.

[Kafein]

Really? Microsoft having customer insight? What about this?

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I'm laughing so hard...

Edit: On second thought... Steam is the same shit, isn't it?

Afaik you can only be banned from Steam if you own stolen keys. Which can very well happen without your consent when you buy from shady russian sites. But usually you'll be ok. Your safest bet is to split your games among multiple accounts, but nobody does that.

[Leshma]

I've traded keys with some dude who, immediately after we exchanged keys, went offline and his account was inactive since then. Four months later, my copy of Dead Island was removed from my library, I wasn't banned. But there was plenty of Dead Island stolen keys circulating at that time and I think Steam decided to deactivate them all at once and don't ban anyone who had them.

[cmp]

Afaik you can only be banned from Steam if you own stolen keys.

"can be" or "will be"? Because I'm pretty sure you "can be" banned for no reason whatsoever, if Valve feels like it.

[Leesin]

"can be" or "will be"? Because I'm pretty sure you "can be" banned for no reason whatsoever, if Valve feels like it.

Well I think what he means is that Valve only ban for serious issues with proper proof, Microsoft on the other hand, well, I've seen people banned from Xbox LIVE for so much as farting.

[Kafein]

"can be" or "will be"? Because I'm pretty sure you "can be" banned for no reason whatsoever, if Valve feels like it.

Of course they can do whatever the fuck they want to your account on a whim, you basically agreed to that when registering. But pretty much everything works like this nowadays anyway, and Valve is one of the lesser evils.

[Tibe]

Of course they can do whatever the fuck they want to your account on a whim, you basically agreed to that when registering. But pretty much everything works like this nowadays anyway, and Valve is one of the lesser evils.

Real life comparison: Valve is like your buddy who occasionally fucks you over by stealing bit of cash from you and a few beers. Being buddies with Microsoft or EA(origingarbage) means that they fuck your mom every night, piss in your sink and take a shit on your couch.