Buff Swashbuckling?

[Bobthehero]

Boom!

Its back, yay, contain your orgasms gents, for it'll get dirty.

So, so, so, swashbuckling, terrible terrible thing, all the bad sides of 1h offense with the defense of 2h, but hey, you look just dashing (like the color yellow, ever told you I liked that color, yeah, I do!).

So how'd you make it better?!

Well the only thing you can bump its offense, because the point is to go screw defense, I am looking mighty dashing! (and useless, lets no go there please ), there's two ways, imo, to do that.

1) Straight up stats buff if: You have no shield skill and no other proficencies than 1h choosen.

2) Dedicated swashbuckling weapons: X slot (so that those fucking archers cannot put their grubby paws on it, assholes) 1h weapons that cannot be used with a shield, pretty sure you can cook something with WSE 2. We could totally use the espada's/side sword weapons and create a duplicate item that can't be used with a shield, while leaving the

Now the first one is fine and dandy, imo but I feel I'd wonky ot implement, while the second one would probably force me to retire my guy to get the loom points to re-loom a dedicated swashbuckling weapon and probably leave the possibility for other classes to get a better than average 1h weapon.

If anyone else have ideas, shoot.

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On an unrelated subject, carriable tables should be a thing.

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[Canuck]

1h duelist is my favourite playstyle thus far.
BUFF!

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Add nudges and make them exclusive to Swshbucklers/2h that can be used with a shield, damage and shit based of 1h wpf.

[Macropus]

A typical "buff my class even if it's ridiculous" thread.
1h without shield isn't a class. It's a shielder without shield.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

A typical "buff my class even if it's ridiculous" thread.
1h without shield isn't a class. It's a shielder without shield.

Nudges should still be added and be strongest with 1h with no shield.
Shieldbashes should be added as well though.

[Kafein]

Keep it weak. I want to be unique !

[Ulter]

This makes just as much sense as buffing lances used on foot.

[Teeth]

Swashbuckling is fine balance wise, on siege it is even one of the strongest classes. If you need a buff, stop playing in 1st person. You play a class that is designed to be used with a shield and refuse to use a shield. You really expect the devs to go way out of their way to encourage people doing that?

When I played it, it was maybe a little less strong than a longsworder, but it was still strong enough to compete at a very respectable level. Now with the tweaking of the turn rate nerf, 1h no shield gets its sweet overhead surprise turning back. Fun fact, people suck at blocking 1h overheads. The class can barely be called underpowered, and if it got a buff, you wouldn't be an exquisite, exclusive gentleman anymore for playing it.

[Tydeus]

and if it got a buff, you wouldn't be an exquisite, exclusive gentleman anymore for playing it.

Pretty much this. /thread

On a side note, I'd take 1h animations over 2h if I could have identical weapon stats both ways and I believe it's clear most people would as well. 2h thrust is nice, but I'd argue that in all other cases, the 1h animations are (when ignoring weapon stats), easily superior.

[Vodner]

The only thing I would like is a two slot one-handed weapon that isn't usable with a shield, with stats comparable to a short two-handed weapon.

[Bobthehero]

A typical "buff my class even if it's ridiculous" thread.
1h without shield isn't a class. It's a shielder without shield.

Should be class, this would make it a class, so it makes sense.

Keep it weak. I want to be unique !

You're not unique

This makes just as much sense as buffing lances used on foot.

Nope

Swashbuckling is fine balance wise, on siege it is even one of the strongest classes. If you need a buff, stop playing in 1st person.

I actually do worst in 3rd person, tried it, hated it.

Pretty much this. /thread

On a side note, I'd take 1h animations over 2h if I could have identical weapon stats both ways and I believe it's clear most people would as well. 2h thrust is nice, but I'd argue that in all other cases, the 1h animations are (when ignoring weapon stats), easily superior.

I disagree

The only thing I would like is a two slot one-handed weapon that isn't usable with a shield, with stats comparable to a short two-handed weapon.

Yeah, that'd be nice, I suggest the Long Espada because noone uses it.

[Kafein]

Pretty much this. /thread

On a side note, I'd take 1h animations over 2h if I could have identical weapon stats both ways and I believe it's clear most people would as well. 2h thrust is nice, but I'd argue that in all other cases, the 1h animations are (when ignoring weapon stats), easily superior.

The weakness of the 1h right swing is easily abusable by your enemy. Even with a 40c 1h axe, you get early glances way more often than with a 40c longsword (and yes I played both personally). It is also very wide in early stages, and anything on your right will block it. The overhead is hard to land when you need to turn on your left, because it hits slightly on your right. It is also lacking the incredibly misleading late active delay of the 2h overhead (toe hitting syndrome). The stab glances at long range when it shouldn't, but I'm not 100% sure that's not a weapon length problem.

That leaves you with a fast, reliable, accurate, easily head hitting but relatively short left swing. Which is why everybody blocks left by default against 1h.

A good ol' right swing-stab 2h feint is better than anything you can do with 1h. Fast 2h and pole sideswing feints can visually imitate real swings going through the enemy which is very misleading too.

[San]

There are polearms and 2h usable with and without shield, so I don't know why 1h should be an exception.

[Gurnisson]

There are polearms and 2h usable with and without shield, so I don't know why 1h should be an exception.

What kind of argument is that? You can use 1h with and without shield... Using a 2h with a shield uses 1h wpf and is complete garbage as well.

[Falka]

Yeah, that'd be nice, I suggest the Long Espada because noone uses it.

I do, it's great weapon, don't touch it.

The overhead is hard to land

That leaves you with left swing.

Lulz, that's why 3/4 of my hits are overheads As Teeth said already people suck at blocking 1h overheads, so stop spamming left and "everybody who blocks left by default" will be screwed.