what does 1 speed translate to in wpf terms?

[cmp]

Regarding the bolded text, cmp: does this mean you need to hold a swing for less time to reach its maximum damage potential?

No, the hold time still applies to the ready phase and is unaffected by weapon speed. it doesn't apply to the release, though.

thats because they changed how stabbing works in crpg ... it's really easily abusable in crpg since the change, if you get enough damage (wpf + weapon damage) and your weapon isn't TOO long you can basically stab people ridiculously fast because it ignores/bypasses the usual armour bouncing mechanic that they put in native to stop that ... thus the reason people wanted the insta crpg stab removed for ages

Yeah, no. Current stab sweetspots are harsher than Native for insta stabs.

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Edit: unless by "armor bouncing mechanic" you mean the soak/reduce values, in which case they are not specific to stabs and blame Urist anyway.

[Gurnisson]

Thanks for the info, cmp!

[Corsair831]

No, the hold time still applies to the ready phase and is unaffected by weapon speed. it doesn't apply to the release, though.

Yeah, no. Current stab sweetspots are harsher than Native for insta stabs.

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Edit: unless by "armor bouncing mechanic" you mean the soak/reduce values, in which case they are not specific to stabs and blame Urist anyway.

no, they aren't, get a pike in native and try and instantly stab someone, then get a 21/21 +3 longspear in crpg and try, you will see that it's a --LOT-- easier in crpg.

I don't know what you're talking about when you say sweetspot and soak etc, all i know is from a lot of experience with actually playing both of the games; and it is so noticeable in crpg, the stab in native is honestly sooooo much harder with polearms and soooo much easier with 1h.

[cmp]

I assume you compared the behavior with the exact same attributes, skills and proficiencies.

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No, I don't.

I don't know what you're talking about when you say sweetspot and soak etc

Exactly.

[Macropus]

no, they aren't, get a pike in native and try and instantly stab someone, then get a 21/21 +3 longspear in crpg and try, you will see that it's a --LOT-- easier in crpg.

Maybe that's because c-RPG 21-21 character is more advanced than native one?
I have no clue about native character builds though.

[Corsair831]

I assume you compared the behavior with the exact same attributes, skills and proficiencies.

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No, I don't.

Exactly.

cmp, you know a lot about the game mechanics etc etc fair enough, but i know what im talking about with the spears, i don't know how it works technically but i know what i play

you can literally instant stab on crpg if you have enough dmg / wpf, i'm not like making this up or anything

[cmp]

cmp, you know a lot about the game mechanics etc etc fair enough, but i know what im talking about with the spears, i don't know how it works technically but i know what i play

you can literally instant stab on crpg if you have enough dmg / wpf, i'm not like making this up or anything

I believe you when you say that, and I don't think that game mechanics exclude it. What I'm saying is that comparing to Native doesn't really make sense, unless you're comparing the exact same build (and I'm pretty sure the Native multiplayer troops have very low attributes/stats compared to your average cRPG character).

[Gurnisson]

I remember looking at the stats of the mp infantry, and compared to a typical cRPG infantry their ps, ath and wpf is quite a bit lower.

[Tindel]

ya native chars have 18/18 builds or even lower. They are slow.

[cmp]

I checked, a Vaegir spearman is a 14/14 build with 3 PS and 130 WPF in polearms. Weak.

[Leesin]

Bet that shit eating spearman doesn't even have a pot to piss in either, fucking peasant scrubs in native.

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All I know is that you can go get a coffee in the time it takes for the 1h thrust animation to land, but polearm thrust occurs so fast the animation doesn't even register on the screen. And this is for equal weapon speed/wpf (red tassel spear/knightly arming sword).

If I remember WaltF4's tests, 1 weapon speed is roughly equivalent to 20 wpf, ignoring armor penalty.

[cmp]

All I know is that you can go get a coffee in the time it takes for the 1h thrust animation to land, but polearm thrust occurs so fast the animation doesn't even register on the screen.

1h: 0.35+0.62+0.3
pole: 0.35+0.6+0.3
(ready+release+continue in seconds, before being affected by wpf)

Might be the hand (i.e. weapon) position in the animation fooling you.

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1h: 0.35+0.62+0.3
pole: 0.35+0.6+0.3
(ready+release+continue in seconds, before being affected by wpf)

Might be the hand (i.e. weapon) position in the animation fooling you.

You could also interpret those values you posted by saying "a polearm thrust behaves like a 1h thrust with 20ms better ping". And 20 ms ping difference makes a noticeable difference in gameplay.

Is the ready time 350ms for every animation? What is the quantitative reason that 1h left swing is so fast and 1h right swing so slow, for instance?

[Phantasmal]

What is the quantitative reason that 1h left swing is so fast and 1h right swing so slow, for instance?

They should travel at the same speed but it is most likely something to do with distance traveled. The rightside swing has a much longer radius then the leftside swing, meaning that the circumference of the rightside swing is greater. Since they are both travelling at the same speed, left side swing finishes the animation quicker due to the shorter distance. This is all conjecture by the way.