what does 1 speed translate to in wpf terms?

[Corsair831]

if i have a 100 speed weapon and a 101 speed weapon (let's say 1h), how much more wpf will i need with the 100 speed weapon to be exactly as fast as the 101 speed weapon ?

so would i have the 101 speed + 130WPF = 100 speed + 140WPF etc ?

i would've looked on the crpg wiki but it seems to have disappeared o.O

anyway, hopefully someone will be able to answer this, thanks, corsair )

[zagibu]

I don't know this, but i know that 20 WPF = 7 cheeseburgers. Maybe that helps?

[Shaksie]

This is a good question!

I would like more exact values with units; such as length being in cm (I know, it probably is but meh.) and speed being how fast it will swing in seconds, with 1 wpf.
Also, I think it could be cool if some weapons had variation in swing speed, such as the longer weapons should have poor swing speeds, relative to their stab speed.
This could be told by say, clicking on the speed then it would have the % of the base swing speed, which the swing you are looking at takes.
Take a Poleaxe for example, which has speed 89; which could (it doesn't, I'm making this up) equate to a speed of 1s. The stab speed could be 100% of the speed, or perhaps more because, to my limited knowledge, I would've assumed that Poleaxes would be for stabbing because they would be very heavy in real life. The left/right (these could probably be interchangeable) could be 85% and the overhead, because it is so long and heavy, could have a measly swing speed of 75%.
This would equate to the overhead having a swing speed of 1.3s and the stab remaining at 1s.
WPF could reduce the speed of a weapon by a set value, for example 1 wpf= 0.01 sec faster (this is probably not enough, I've no idea).
In my opinion this would differentiate weapons from others and allow players to select the exact type of weapon they want for their playstyle.

what does 1 speed translate to in wpf terms?

Sorry for not answering your question; I've no idea but this could give us more of an idea!

[Byrdi]

I do not think people ever deducted a function to convert wpf to speed.

Most speed test are done by a guy hitting out in the air a hundred times and seeing how long it took with different weapon proficiencies.

Anyway, I would say that you need between 5-10 maybe less to make up for one speed, from experience (though there is no proof of this).

[Teeth]

http://forum.meleegaming.com/beginner's-help-and-guides/weapon-attack-speed-and-proficiency-and-not-agility/msg42737/#msg42737

You can probably pretty much deduct it from here. The thing is though that wpf offers a speed increase relative to weapon speed whereas the weapon speed value increases speed absolutely. It's impossible to express 1 speed in wpf terms overall, you can only really do it per weapon.

[Corsair831]

http://forum.meleegaming.com/beginner's-help-and-guides/weapon-attack-speed-and-proficiency-and-not-agility/msg42737/#msg42737

You can probably pretty much deduct it from here. The thing is though that wpf offers a speed increase relative to weapon speed whereas the weapon speed value increases speed absolutely. It's impossible to express 1 speed in wpf terms overall, you can only really do it per weapon.

ty )

[Kafein]

Weapon "speed" is two things. You have the time between the instant you press your mouse button and the moment your swing is ready, then you have the time it takes between the moment you release the button and the end of the active animation phase. And even that isn't really important during gameplay, because you want to hit at the first instant that will do full damage, which is earlier than half the animation time.

Anyway out of these two things I don't know what wpf and weapon speed do. I think they both only influence the latter but I'm not sure.

[Gurnisson]

Weapon "speed" is two things. You have the time between the instant you press your mouse button and the moment your swing is ready, then you have the time it takes between the moment you release the button and the end of the active animation phase. And even that isn't really important during gameplay, because you want to hit at the first instant that will do full damage, which is earlier than half the animation time.

Anyway out of these two things I don't know what wpf and weapon speed do. I think they both only influence the latter but I'm not sure.

The time from the click till it hits mid-animation afaik, but the different classes have different chambering time and release time. Polearms, for example, release an attack very fast, but chambering the attack is slow, which means it's a good class for holds, wiggles and chambers, but not too good for feinting.

[cmp]

Weapon "speed" is two things. You have the time between the instant you press your mouse button and the moment your swing is ready, then you have the time it takes between the moment you release the button and the end of the active animation phase.

That's not weapon speed, it's ready and release phases. Weapon speed is a modifier that affects both.

And even that isn't really important during gameplay, because you want to hit at the first instant that will do full damage, which is earlier than half the animation time.

Higher weapon speed = shorter ready/release animations = takes less time to reach maximum damage potential.

[cmp]

The time from the click till it hits mid-animation afaik, but the different classes have different chambering time and release time. Polearms, for example, release an attack very fast, but chambering the attack is slow, which means it's a good class for holds, wiggles and chambers, but not too good for feinting.

AFAIK all ready animations have the exact same base duration (0.35s).

[Kafein]

Thanks for the info

[Brrrak]

That's not weapon speed, it's ready and release phases. Weapon speed is a modifier that affects both.

Higher weapon speed = shorter ready/release animations = takes less time to reach maximum damage potential.

Regarding the bolded text, cmp: does this mean you need to hold a swing for less time to reach its maximum damage potential?

[dreadnok]

I honestly believe it just goes weapon by weapon and that's it. Some weps are buffed some are not. I have 150 wpf. I picked up a spiked mace with 98 speed, its slow as balls. I pick up a iron staff with 0 wpf and its fast as heck. In a game where the main component is people backing up faster and swinging, or getting killed by their wrists. There is no science or anything special.

[dreadnok]

AFAIK all ready animations have the exact same base duration (0.35s).

Im hit by stabs before there is an animation, with pole arms alot

[Corsair831]

Im hit by stabs before there is an animation, with pole arms alot

thats because they changed how stabbing works in crpg ... it's really easily abusable in crpg since the change, if you get enough damage (wpf + weapon damage) and your weapon isn't TOO long you can basically stab people ridiculously fast because it ignores/bypasses the usual armour bouncing mechanic that they put in native to stop that ... thus the reason people wanted the insta crpg stab removed for ages