hoplite needs a serious nerf

[no_rules_just_play]

[Sojetsu]

btw all polearm pierce is a bit imba. mostly for long weapons - hit 2-3 times faster then animation

[bruce]

It's mostly a thing with "curving" stabs, really.

[no_rules_just_play]

It's mostly a thing with "curving" stabs, really.

i know, but if you have a weapon of 2.5 m long you shouldnt be stabbing someone who is hugging you. especially not when you also have such insane reach.

btw all polearm pierce is a bit imba. mostly for long weapons - hit 2-3 times faster then animation

i cant see what you mean here. never saw something like this.

[Tzar]

Im thinking of respeccing... Its boring fighten hoplite vs hoplite 

[bruce]

i know, but if you have a weapon of 2.5 m long you shouldnt be stabbing someone who is hugging you. especially not when you also have such insane reach.

Agreed. However how to fix it is a question. Imo, lances/spears/whatnot should not be doing pierce if they don't hit with the very tip.

[Macropus]

Hoplites are good in crowd fights, but shit at fighting alone vs >= 1 enemy.
Seems pretty balanced overall, I see no reason to nerf them. Stab got buffed indeed, but it also applies for pikes etc, even 1h stab is usable now.

[no_rules_just_play]

Hoplites are good in crowd fights, but shit at fighting alone vs >= 1 enemy.
Seems pretty balanced overall, I see no reason to nerf them. Stab got buffed indeed, but it also applies for pikes etc, even 1h stab is usable now.

they are surely good enough at 1v1, maybe not untouchable, but still extremely effective.

[Molly]

I agree on the facehug stab being nonsense. If someone gets that close to you, you made a mistake playing with a spear and should be punished, eg by not being able to use the stab anymore.

Other than that I don't think they are doing that well in Battle tbh.

[Dalhi]

Everything that is overused is overpowered.

[Oberyn]

Nerfing polearm stabs when used with a shield I'd agree with. An ashwood pike is pretty awesome with no shield, but the reach is much lower and of course it requires manual blocking. 

[Kafein]

Just "un-fix" the stabs. I don't remember those facehug stabs being possible prior to the turn rate nerf. Sure you could wiggle them instead, but that was slower to hit.

[no_rules_just_play]

Just "un-fix" the stabs. I don't remember those facehug stabs being possible prior to the turn rate nerf. Sure you could wiggle them instead, but that was slower to hit.

ah yes, the turn rate nerf that applies to the lenght of the weapon instead of the actual reach

[Gurnisson]

Well, it is definitely stronger than pikes and 2d polearms nowadays.

[Joseph Porta]

when the ashwood pike hits you its like a bomb explodes in your face, I don't know what it is but the only hoplite weapon i'm having troubles with is the ashwood pike, others just lack the bit of reach that makes the ashwood OP, combined with killer damage ofcourse. with a shield they're tricky if operated by a proper user, alot of the no-shield user just jump around and run around you instead of really making use of the instant stab and wait patiently for an opening to nuke your face but if someone knows how to do it it can be seriously annoying, if not in facehug range it will pretty much hit you before you hit him, but only a few players really use it to its full extent, players like Knitler, Krillex(something like that) and oberyn really do well with it but half of the users are just a laugh and can easily be eliminated. it is hard to say if it needs a nerf, cause it also enables better solo abilitys for hoplites and i have dueled some as a hoplite and I must say its doable but it requires atleast some ath.