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how exactly do shields work
« on: April 10, 2013, 03:26:53 pm »
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ranged coverage, melee coverage, are they separate to each other?

are they both affected by shield skill and shield width ? or one yes and the other no ? the tooltip on the character page says shield skill is only ranged coverage o.O

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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 03:32:37 pm »
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I can say for certain (me and Dave tested this) that the melee block radius for shields is the same regardless of shield size. Not sure if shield-skill has an effect, but probably not.
Ranged block radius is bigger for bigger shields.

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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 03:33:05 pm »
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I can say for certain (me and Dave tested this) that the melee block radius for shields is the same regardless of shield size. Not sure if shield-skill has an effect, but probably not.
Ranged block radius is bigger for bigger shields.

then why does kinnigrim seem to have such a big forcefield with such a little shield ? o.O

i thought for years that shield skill and width both affected melee forcefield but i spoke to a twi dev and he wasnt even sure lol
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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 03:36:03 pm »
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then why does kinnigrim seem to have such a big forcefield with such a little shield ? o.O

i thought for years that shield skill and width both affected melee forcefield but i spoke to a twi dev and he wasnt even sure lol

He is probably very proficient at aiming his shield just enough to block many attacks, and he is very fast (10 athletics I think?) so he can influence positioning a lot.

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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 03:38:19 pm »
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He is probably very proficient at aiming his shield just enough to block many attacks, and he is very fast (10 athletics I think?) so he can influence positioning a lot.

no, you almost certainly get a higher forcefield with a bigger shield skill, get a skip the fun and try a 3 shieldskill round shield and an 11 shieldskill roundshield
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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2013, 03:42:47 pm »
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no, you almost certainly get a higher forcefield with a bigger shield skill, get a skip the fun and try a 3 shieldskill round shield and an 11 shieldskill roundshield

It's possible, we would need to devise another test to accurately test different shield skill effects.

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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2013, 04:56:45 pm »
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No, i think it doesn't matter, forcefield for melee blocks doesn't grow. It's the same for all shield skill and all sizes of shield. Can you test it Corsair?

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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2013, 05:11:00 pm »
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How exactly do shields work?

They block shit

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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2013, 05:51:46 pm »
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No, i think it doesn't matter, forcefield for melee blocks doesn't grow. It's the same for all shield skill and all sizes of shield. Can you test it Corsair?

i dont know about that dave, i remember playing the start of my build when i had 4 shield skill and before that in the previous build when i had 7 and either im paranoid but im like 99.999% sure that melee forcefield grows
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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2013, 06:26:13 pm »
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i dont know about that dave, i remember playing the start of my build when i had 4 shield skill and before that in the previous build when i had 7 and either im paranoid but im like 99.999% sure that melee forcefield grows

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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2013, 06:54:46 pm »
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i dont know about that dave, i remember playing the start of my build when i had 4 shield skill and before that in the previous build when i had 7 and either im paranoid but im like 99.999% sure that melee forcefield grows

And i'm 99.99999999% sure you're wrong as melee forcefield is the same for all shields and all shields I think ;)

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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2013, 07:06:03 pm »
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except if you are on horse, your tiny shield covers the whole bloody horse

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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2013, 07:20:32 pm »
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Kinngrimm is something like 12/30 with 10 ath and 10 shield...
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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2013, 07:28:58 pm »
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And i'm 99.99999999% sure you're wrong as melee forcefield is the same for all shields and all shields I think ;)

Unless I am presented with cmp evidence, I can't believe that. The difference between round and rectangular shields especially at high shield skill is like night and day for both melee and ranged coverage.

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Re: how exactly do shields work
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2013, 07:36:42 pm »
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From my personal view.  I only think ranged force field is increased.  Melee stay the same.  The shield itself is what makes the difference when blocking melee.  Things like the cavalry shield have a much wider radius than something like heater shields.

Plus I think the curved look it has wraps around a bit adding more width too but I'm not entirely sure about that.