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Infantry and Cav Protection
« on: May 02, 2011, 02:53:44 am »
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The slot system was introduced as far as i understand for balancing purposes. Very well.

Is a polearm or 2h or pure 1h guy who uses 2 weapons with different functions to handle different enemies a hybrid?
Is a 1h/shielder a hybrid?
Is a hoplite polearm/shield a hybrid?
Is a 1h/shield with no or view left over points in polearm carrying a spear a hybrid?
Is someone carrying only shields of any use? If not at least one additional weapon would define a class.

What majorly upsets me is, that i cant wear any kind of spear anymore even if i got one spare slot. And dont get me started you could use another shield, in my case my 3 main weapons sitesword/battle axe/bamboo spear and my huscarl got nerfed so just don't start a discussion here i shouldn't use my huscarl and use a ligthweigth shield isntead. If you argue that way, then i say make all shields the same liek you did it with the 1h weapons, which are majorly all the same now and i dont complain about that.

1. Slot 1h weapon
2. Slot free
3./4. Slot Shield

So wtf should i do with that one slot if i want cav protection?

OR to say it in another way.

Please give me something to STOP cav witch fits into one slot. I don't want to kill em with that, i only want to be able to stop them. Is that too much to ask? Even with spear in 40-60% of cases if cav attacked me intelligently they killed me while i had a bamboo spear. But they didn't get me easily? It was fun to battle with cavs that way. Where are my cav oponents? I had with several cavs long fights and when i died i was ok with it, because i did know i did all what i could. Now i know i could but i am not allowed anymore. What do you think should infantry 1h/shield be able to wear some spear long poking thingy to stop you if you are acting silly or do you just want to slaughter anything beneth your high horses?

Something long which does not do any damage would be ok for me, i only want to stop them, then i switch to 1h and try to give em some strikes.


EDIT: How did the cav nerf go? anything taken back in hotfix? Does that change the careful balance you discussed over months and made plans about them? If they got now stronger again but u nerfed all other stuff .. i guess you get my drift.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2011, 08:16:35 am by Kalam »
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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011, 02:57:03 am »
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If you really have to have that huscarl shield, use a shortened spear. One slot.

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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2011, 02:57:31 am »
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Quarterstaff.

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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2011, 02:58:58 am »
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Also works. Little bit longer.
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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2011, 03:01:17 am »
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Yup, pretty much what they said.

I'm back to playing hoplite style on Vyrus and it works fine.

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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2011, 03:03:25 am »
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Wooden stick  :lol:

But yeah i get it it sucks lol

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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2011, 03:04:30 am »
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If you really have to have that huscarl shield, use a shortened spear. One slot.

/thread
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Okin you are a funny guy i give you that.
If i have some food in my teeth i'll ask you for that shortened spear.
But if someone with fullspeed is coming from behind with a lance the only thing i can do atm is bringing up my shield and get bumped to death. That is not even fun for the horse man in the long run, thats like dtv zombi slashing.
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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2011, 03:06:30 am »
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I like how it works now.
If you want to have a whole arsenal with you, you'll have to choose more 1 slot stuff. But if you want to specialize, you can get better stuff that uses 2 slots.
Gives more purpose to the low end weapons.

It also gives some responsibility to the pike guys and promotes teamwork.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2011, 03:07:44 am by Sayton »

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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2011, 03:12:30 am »
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Okin you are a funny guy i give you that.
If i have some food in my teeth i'll ask you for that shortened spear.
But if someone with fullspeed is coming from behind with a lance the only thing i can do atm is bringing up my shield and get bumped to death. That is not even fun for the horse man in the long run, thats like dtv zombi slashing.

It's long enough to get a stab in if you can dodge the lance tip. Either that or just evade the charge altogether if you don't want to risk it. If you want a longer spear, well... use a smaller shield. Heavy kite is nothing to sneeze at. Slot system isn't universally loved, sure, but it seems to me you're going to have to just deal with it.
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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2011, 03:27:37 am »
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Don't run around alone. This is a team game.
There are many dedicated pikemen looking for shielders to roam with.
If you are a lone-wolf guy who thinks he should be able to counter everything without teamwork as a 1h/shielder -- don't post again.


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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2011, 03:35:59 am »
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Having played alot as a pikeman ive got to day its depressing seeing a teamate getting raped by cav and knowing you cant save him.


He should have stayed with the group i tell myself, but i still feel sad :(
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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2011, 05:48:27 am »
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You know,I  once killed cav with a knife :twisted:(epic moment).Warband is not paper rock scissors game,use terrain,use short spear or just stay with teamates.
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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2011, 06:24:21 am »
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Gotta agree with Marathon on this one.
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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2011, 07:52:18 am »
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Don't run around alone. This is a team game.

...but...but....Kinngrimm is a Wolver.....that's what they do for a living....they roam the countryside in search for easy pray which they can backstab/finish off/gank.........it's the only way they can get some kills and now it's being taken away from 'em ?   :shock:
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Re: Infantry and Cav Protection
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2011, 08:04:07 am »
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As someone who plays a 1h/shield, I've got about a 50/50 ratio with taking horsemen out with my italian sword. I know others who do better with their one-handers, and it'd be even easier with a shortened spear. Whine less!