The ranking system is too unfriendly to new players

[Vodner]

tl;dr The future is bleak for new players if we bring the skill ceiling down and the floor up. Stop complaining.

Removing the grind elements from the game does not affect the skill ceiling in any meaningful way.

[Dexxtaa]

Removing the grind elements from the game does not affect the skill ceiling in any meaningful way.

Fuck. I meant stat floors and ceilings. I'll change that.

[Tydeus]

Unfortunately people will always min/max and taking away heirloom bonuses won't stop that. The only thing that can stop that, is actually having every play-style and every weapon equally effective. Maybe not in the same exact ways or with the same skill set or character build, but equally effective nonetheless. Will this ever happen though? No. The only thing you can really do, is focus on the outliers and try to make more and more items arguably effective.

[Rumblood]

I don't like that arrogant attitude. Everybody who don't want to join a clan (at first) doesn't concern the rest or isn't part of the game or even the community? bullshit.

I don't care. You want to complain about item disparity because of rewards to veteran players, but don't want to take the ezmode route to those same bonuses provided by joining a clan, and thus the community? Talk to the Huscarl 

[Kafein]

To paraphrase, he's being ironic.

"Since when was a role playing game about min-maxing"

Implying that his take on this is : As far as "rpg" goes in cRPG, it's not really cRPG. But more like cMINMAX.

What I really wanted to say is that extremely few videogames are true RPGs. A game in which you play a role (whatever that may be) like an actor is complicated to create with a computer system because it is unable to understand the semantics of what you are doing. By that definition, only tabletop RPGs can apply. And even them are not all valid (D&D 4 ).

[Rumblood]

What I really wanted to say is that extremely few videogames are true RPGs. A game in which you play a role (whatever that may be) like an actor is complicated to create with a computer system because it is unable to understand the semantics of what you are doing. By that definition, only tabletop RPGs can apply. And even them are not all valid (D&D 4 ).

Where you are looking for is http://www.topmudsites.com/

[Sniger]

Free freedom, remove looms.

and banner balance, multiplier and valour now that we are it, please. (yes im utterly serious)

*runs for cover*

[Kafein]

Where you are looking for is http://www.topmudsites.com/

I'm not really into those things, I just wanted to rant about the abusive use of "RPG" when all it really means is "you gain levels".

[CrazyCracka420]

I'm not really into those things, I just wanted to rant about the abusive use of "RPG" when all it really means is "you gain levels".

And collect pixel crack

[[ptx]]

Apart from the forced meme of "Levels = RPG", i've always felt that roleplay games are ones that allow you to... roleplay?

By that logic, cRPG is at least a partial roleplay game, since you got a vast amount of different gear to allow you to tweak out your char to some sort of persistent role. A viking warrior, a templar knight, a mamluk rider, an english longbowman or maybe a japanese samurai archer, lost in medieval europe, forced to replace parts of his armour with ill-fitting western gear?

Which is why i ever despise all the minmaxers with khuyaks and what-have-you

[CrazyCracka420]

It's not a true RP game unless you have men cybering with each other pretending the other is a female

[Joker86]

Although I agree that the initial meaning of roleplaying game is something different, you can still call cRPG an RPG, simply due to the lack of an alternative expression for a game where you have a player character you can grow more powerful by improving character attributes and equipment.

Especially since the character attribute part if often used to determine the line between an RPG and an adventure game.

So the bottom line wold be: Since the term "RPG" does not only include "acting" and "playing a role" but also choosing a directon in which a character grows more powerful, it can (still) be used for cRPG.

Can everyone agree on that? 

[[ptx]]

I'd prefer "different" to "more powerful".

[Joker86]

Well, it's usually about leveling and less often about shifting the strengthes and weknesses, so I decided for "more powerfull" instead of "different".

[Kafein]

I have nothing against grinding honestly, but the use of the term RPG to designate just that isn't right. I agree cRPG is a RPG-ish because it lets you create your own character with his equipment, but not because there are levels.