Korean cold war heating up again?

[Armpit_Sweat]

Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about. I suppose pulling shit straight out of your ass is not "speculation", as opposed to actually having credible and legitimate sources. Did you even read the link I provided? Did you try to research anything at all on the subject? Obviously not. Spouting vague generalities is easier I guess.

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[Smoothrich]

Reunification is generally seen as a good thing in Korea, and would, eventually, greatly boost the economy of Korea.  North is so poor right now because they defaulted on all their international loans and investments in the 70s, basically scamming the entire world including USSR, then their reaction was to just withdraw internationally and focus on military with sadly high poverty and starvation rates, with a shit economy.

South Korea managed to do the opposite, and have tons of international success and prestige.  If they could govern the other half of Korea, surely tons of companies will see the opportunity to start up new markets to millions of new people as an excellent investment.

Also to that idiot in this thread who doesn't understand the problem, its that North Korea has endless amounts of artillery pointed at Seoul.  Any launch of hot, open hostilities between USA/SK and NK, North Korea would spend all of their resources trying to take Seoul.  They have tunnels, transports, everything at the border to just bumrush the city, after they completely flatten it with nonstop artillery, missiles, naval bombardment.  They will then occupy the capital city and try to engage USA forces in a guerilla, urban combat war in the middle of a massive population center where we simply can't "blow them all to hell with AC-10s like CoD lol."  They will try to use it as negotiation leverage.

The result of this would be almost everyone in Seoul dying, or their lives ruined.  10 million people.  25 million metro area.  One of the biggest cities in the world.  Then everyone in Pyongyang would die if they don't capitulate. 

North Korea's infrastructure will be blown to hell, and they certainly will not be a match to USA airpower and strategic flexibility, but the exact same can be said about Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc.  All wars we handled terribly.  Unbelievable that people can still be so cocky and ignorant about war when literally every instance of war of this nature in the past 50 years was an incredible waste of life and usually strategic failures for countries like America.

[Butan]

Unbelievable that people can still be so cocky and ignorant about war when literally every instance of war of this nature in the past 50 years was an incredible waste of life and usually strategic failures for countries like America.

Wouldnt say completely wiping off anything above ground / not conceiled or hiding in civilian population, that looks military, in mere days/weeks, a complete failure!

But then noone invented counter-guerilla tactics except bombing each square km² or using guerilla tactics themselves. And god knows the great powers's population of today loves guerilla warfare.

[Henry_Broodsonson]

this is disturbing

Yes, I know. It was the photo of the city lights. On the plus side I can drink coffee again. 

[Molly]

Funny how nobody even mentions that SK has some military too.

[Tyr_]

Like many other heads of states before Kim Jong-Un very likely is just a puppet of the military leaders.
He has no base of authority. To rule a country you either need support of its population or the military.
His current actions actually can be a sign that he wants to change his country. He lost the support of china, which makes the outdated north korean military no match for any modern army.
The constant propaganda may give him the support of the north korean people, which then allows him to take actions instead of being under his generals control. He got eduaceted in suisse and it is ridicoulus to believe that he thinks his countries military can be a threat to the USA. Neither their long nor medium range missiles are working according US/SK intelligence, they tend to drop into the sea after a few minutes of flight. Also the missiles they have are ballistic, so shooting them down is very simple.
If it by any chance comes to a conflict it will be like the 7 days war and north korea will be occupied in a short time (with the USA interfering ofc).

The more likely story is that Kim Jong tries to take the power from the military and change the country. No person, educated in the western world, can in any possible way believe in the current politics/propagande done by North Korea.

[B3RS3RK]

No person, educated in the western world, can in any possible way believe in the current politics/propagande done by North Korea.

You´d be very, very surprised.

What I think about the NK Situation can be concluded in 2 letters: BS

NK´s army is no threat to pretty much any country in their reach and the Nuclear bombs they´ve been testing are not even half as strong as the bombs that have been thrown over Hiroshima and Nagasaki(Which were, compared to modern Nuclear bombs, rather weak).This basically means they could destroy a few cities at best.

NK has no chance of winning if they resort to military action, rendering this whole provocation bullshit an utter farce.Dogs who bark dont bite.

[Teeth]

North Korea's infrastructure will be blown to hell, and they certainly will not be a match to USA airpower and strategic flexibility, but the exact same can be said about Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc.  All wars we handled terribly.  Unbelievable that people can still be so cocky and ignorant about war when literally every instance of war of this nature in the past 50 years was an incredible waste of life and usually strategic failures for countries like America.

Vietnam maybe not so much, but Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be called failures on a strategic level. Al Qaeda has been pretty much destroyed and Iraq have both been conquered in a matter of weeks with very few losses on the U.S. side. Strategic level is the level of generals and other military commanders, and they did pretty well. The failure is political as in they fail to build a legimitate new state from the ashes of the old regimes the U.S. removed. Which is no small task in itself, building institutions that are legitimate and sturdy in countries that are basically two centuries behind, but as an outsider it is nearly impossible.

The political side and rebuilding in the case of a North Korea invasion would however be handled by South Korea, which might enjoy support from the North Koreans and would allow the Americans to take their hands off after doing what they do good, shock and awe.

[[ptx]]

You´d be very, very surprised.

What I think about the NK Situation can be concluded in 2 letters: BS

NK´s army is no threat to pretty much any country in their reach and the Nuclear bombs they´ve been testing are not even half as strong as the bombs that have been thrown over Hiroshima and Nagasaki(Which were, compared to modern Nuclear bombs, rather weak).This basically means they could destroy a few cities at best.

NK has no chance of winning if they resort to military action, rendering this whole provocation bullshit an utter farce.Dogs who bark dont bite.

Would you say the same if you lived in Seoul, within the sights of NK artillery divisions?

[Kafein]

Vietnam maybe not so much, but Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be called failures on a strategic level. Al Qaeda has been pretty much destroyed and Iraq have both been conquered in a matter of weeks with very few losses on the U.S. side. Strategic level is the level of generals and other military commanders, and they did pretty well. The failure is political as in they fail to build a legimitate new state from the ashes of the old regimes the U.S. removed. Which is no small task in itself, building institutions that are legitimate and sturdy in countries that are basically two centuries behind, but as an outsider it is nearly impossible.

The political side and rebuilding in the case of a North Korea invasion would however be handled by South Korea, which might enjoy support from the North Koreans and would allow the Americans to take their hands off after doing what they do good, shock and awe.

This is nitpicking, but the US fought Taliban in Afghanistan, not Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda as a terrorist organisation practically dissappeared after 9/11 because a majority of the actual members were in the planes. Other islamist terrorist groups make the illusion of being organised together because for the western media "linked to Al-Qaeda" means muslim.

[Torben]

countries that are basically two centuries behind

iraq was a "modern" western oriented country

[B3RS3RK]

Would you say the same if you lived in Seoul, within the sights of NK artillery divisions?

Yep.The facts stay the same, you know.I highly doubt there will be actual fighting action, and if there was, it would be over quickly.

[[ptx]]

Yep.The facts stay the same, you know.I highly doubt there will be actual fighting action, and if there was, it would be over quickly.

Quickly for you, as you get blown to shits by their arty.

[Smoothrich]

Vietnam maybe not so much, but Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be called failures on a strategic level. Al Qaeda has been pretty much destroyed and Iraq have both been conquered in a matter of weeks with very few losses on the U.S. side. Strategic level is the level of generals and other military commanders, and they did pretty well. The failure is political as in they fail to build a legimitate new state from the ashes of the old regimes the U.S. removed. Which is no small task in itself, building institutions that are legitimate and sturdy in countries that are basically two centuries behind, but as an outsider it is nearly impossible.

The political side and rebuilding in the case of a North Korea invasion would however be handled by South Korea, which might enjoy support from the North Koreans and would allow the Americans to take their hands off after doing what they do good, shock and awe.

The unconventional drone attacks have greatly suppressed organization of terrorist groups in the Pakistani frontier, but they are operating as powerful and probably more successful then ever in regions across North Africa.  Syria, for example, the "opposition" there is basically "Al-Queda" or at least they are the most powerful faction making up the resistance.

We 100 percent lost in Afghanistan, literally defeated by the Taliban everywhere except the capital city and a small ring around it.  The rest is Taliban controlled, and they only got more territory the longer we fought.  No matter what we "liberated" the Taliban took it back the moment we left.  Just not enough troops by us.

Also we "destroyed" the Iraqi army because most Ba'athists went into the civilian population and managed to terrorize the population and create unstability for the past decade nearly unopposed.  We just didn't have enough troops to accomplish anything.  We never have.

[B3RS3RK]

Quickly for you, as you get blown to shits by their arty.

As I said, I highly doubt there will be any form of military engagement, and even if, I would be smart enough to travel away from the hotspots like seoul for a while...Also it would probably be their arty that will be blown to shits before too long.