Open Field Battles Anti-Cavalry

[Corsair831]

 In open field battles the guys that get the vast majority of the kills are the cavalry. Stopping cavalry is as simple as poking them with a stick. Anyone can stop a cavalryman; a shielder with a 1h and a -2 trident (1wpf) can --easily-- stop a horse.

 Yet every strat battle i fight in the open field there are shielders with no hoplite weapons ... armies that don't take any shielder anti-cav at all ...

 Please for the love of god battle organisers out there, even if it is only -2 tridents / pitchforks, can we have some anti-cavalry weapons in your armies ... just being able to defend yourself against cavalry (even with 1 wpf) is so important ...




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[Kelugarn]

Just show the trident and pitch fork some love, they're good weapons when you get to know them!

[Butan]

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[Latvian]

i as cavalry can say that enemy always has more than enough pikemans/longspear users to counter cavalry, it is just that you cant always watch your side and back, cavalry will get you eventualy when you least expect it.(especialy me, so much fun to kill pikeman huhuhuhu)

[Dach]

It's even worse on NA... no one want to play pikemen...

but now we have the stakes! 

[BaleOhay]

yes stakes are great.

[Sandersson Jankins]

It's even worse on NA... no one want to play pikemen...

but now we have the stakes! 

To be honest, in the last few battles I've been in, we have had good pikemen in decent quantity. Enemy cavalry has been getting decimated.

[kinngrimm]

Warspear was one of the first things i loomed in Khudan, no army of ours goes without it.
There really is no excuse not to support hoplites in strat battles, they are one of the most versatile roles.

[Vovka]

yes stakes are great.

[oohillac]

One might say the stakes have been raised on NA.

[Corsair831]

Warspear was one of the first things i loomed in Khudan, no army of ours goes without it.
There really is no excuse not to support hoplites in strat battles, they are one of the most versatile roles.

yes, war spear is very nice for any shielder, but i say trident because it's so ridiculously cheap ... if people want to buy war spear / red tassel spear that's great, but trident literally costs --nothing-- and you can defend yourself against cavalry ... )

if every infantryman carries some form of cavalry protection (even a trident), it makes it that much harder for the enemy cavalry to utterly own the battlefield.

As for those people who are saying longspears are cavalry protection, well, they protect small areas sure, but the enemy cavalry just targets the guys not covered by the longspears !! and if there's just 2, 3 longspears defending an area and 8 enemy cavalry, they will just swamp the area with cav ... everyone needs to be able to defend themselves, you can't just rely on a handful of pikemen ^^

[Butan]

yes, war spear is very nice for any shielder, but i say trident because it's so ridiculously cheap ... if people want to buy war spear / red tassel spear that's great, but trident literally costs --nothing-- and you can defend yourself against cavalry ... )

if every infantryman carries some form of cavalry protection (even a trident), it makes it that much harder for the enemy cavalry to utterly own the battlefield.

As for those people who are saying longspears are cavalry protection, well, they protect small areas sure, but the enemy cavalry just targets the guys not covered by the longspears !! and if there's just 2, 3 longspears defending an area and 8 enemy cavalry, they will just swamp the area with cav ... everyone needs to be able to defend themselves, you can't just rely on a handful of pikemen ^^

That sparks a general idea of buying mass amounts of cheap -2 items that some classes that have some free slots would take and give a general advantage over more classical armies, where you take only the costiest of weapons and only the one you are a master with.

The only disadvantage I see there, is people caugh unaware (read poor intelligence) could be killed while they wield their secondary weapon.

[Turboflex]

As 1h-shielder I always pickup off ground or spawn with a hoplite spear, no brainer. I just drop it anytime I decide to go into close melee but when nothing is happening I can help with anti-cav job.  You can actually get a lot of kills or assists with a nice +3 ashwood or light lance and zero WPF when supporting infantry, they still thrust at a decent speed, just back off if a real spearman or hoplite starts targeting you.

[Corsair831]

That sparks a general idea of buying mass amounts of cheap -2 items that some classes that have some free slots would take and give a general advantage over more classical armies, where you take only the costiest of weapons and only the one you are a master with.

The only disadvantage I see there, is people caugh unaware (read poor intelligence) could be killed while they wield their secondary weapon.

yup ... obviously the occasional noob will be caught unawares and die whilst switching, but the player that dies in that manner was probably going to die anyway, and the decreased cav deaths from taking (basically free) spears (tridents) outweighs this a lot ^^

[Guntram]

alway seem like there no enough pike/spears in battle but we tend to die from inf more than cav. pikers cant help when dead after they just help someone get out of a jam most have 1 direction of attack and smart enemies will exploit that we just cant keep blocking. ask ascalon about that one fight where he hit me total of 7 times befor i got any help. so really others need help to help you.