so are shielders the strongest class now or what?

[Smoothrich]

If you evaluate the "quality" of an animation by the size of its sweetspot and reach bonus, 2h has equal or superior animations for every attack direction.

All 1h has going for it over 2h is that left swing tends to hit the head, but 2h sideswings have the "crouch" feature with is a nice defense bonus (and counter to the 1h left swing, since they duck under it by attacking). 1h right swing glances during the first 40% of the animation and has a long delay and 1h thrust has a whole litany of problems. Overhead is about the same for all three weapon types, except 2h gets a nice reach bonus.

The 1hand right swing is one of the best animations in the game (pro secrets)

[Matey]

If you evaluate the "quality" of an animation by the size of its sweetspot and reach bonus, 2h has equal or superior animations for every attack direction.

All 1h has going for it over 2h is that left swing tends to hit the head, but 2h sideswings have the "crouch" feature with is a nice defense bonus (and counter to the 1h left swing, since they duck under it by attacking). 1h right swing glances during the first 40% of the animation and has a long delay and 1h thrust has a whole litany of problems. Overhead is about the same for all three weapon types, except 2h gets a nice reach bonus.

2H also has that thing where the overhead seems to stay active longer, like when they blatantly miss the overhead so you let go of block and then while they are pulling back the weapon after missing, you get hit.

Smooth mentioned 1h right swing being good, and it is when dancing around at distance, so yeah it has pros and cons compared to the 2hander. mostly just need the stab sweetspot to stop being terrible. glancing sucks.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

The 1hand right swing is one of the best animations in the game (pro secrets)

It's one of the best animations in the game, I agree, it's the only 1h animation that's worth a damn though imo (leftswing is only really uselessfull in one position, making it bad imo, hate the overhead, stab is extremely hard to pull and glances at a lot of ranges), it got several annoying features to it though, and the 2h stab or sideswings are still better imo.

[Kafein]

The 1hand right swing is one of the best animations in the game (pro secrets)

The 1h right swing is the reason any good player will facehug + circle you to your right while hiltslashing and basically not risk anything while doing it.

I agree it is very good to get a little bit more range without the accuracy problems of overheads and stabs, but the "early" animation glancing is horrible, and has the side effect of making this attack effectively very slow.

[oprah_winfrey]

If you evaluate the "quality" of an animation by the size of its sweetspot and reach bonus, 2h has equal or superior animations for every attack direction.

All 1h has going for it over 2h is that left swing tends to hit the head, but 2h sideswings have the "crouch" feature with is a nice defense bonus (and counter to the 1h left swing, since they duck under it by attacking). 1h right swing glances during the first 40% of the animation and has a long delay and 1h thrust has a whole litany of problems. Overhead is about the same for all three weapon types, except 2h gets a nice reach bonus.

Most of your attacks should be left swings. The right swing is absurdly good of you use it correctly, as is the stab. I see every thread about one handers complaining about their stab being useless then I go in game and watch dan* run around with the lee or sidesword (which is pretty op at mw) poking everyone to death.

*yes I know he is one of the na players, but I dont think that takes away from the point.

[Vodner]

As far as animations go, I feel like 1h actually has a pretty good set. Once the turning rate tweaks (finally) make their way to NA, they will be pretty much perfect.

At the very least, I certainly like 1h animations more than polearm animations.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

As far as animations go, I feel like 1h actually has a pretty good set. Once the turning rate tweaks (finally) make their way to NA, they will be pretty much perfect.

At the very least, I certainly like 1h animations more than polearm animations.

Poles got the worst animations and got the best stats to compensate, 2h got the best animations and got the second best stats to compensate, 1h got the second best animations and got the worst stats 'cause lol.

[Artyem]

lol at this thread


I'm not sure what "buffs" 1h got aside from some weapons being made 0 slot and a few new weapons being broken stats wise, but I have to say that 1h is far from being the strongest class.  As someone else stated, 1h will only become somewhat dominant when blocking a held swing while standing on one foot with the other in the air is no longer possible.  Even then, I'm pretty sure 2h's ability to teleport through my shield and stab my eyes out with the hilt of their sword will still fuck me over in the long run.

too tired to make full QQ rage post, go read my other posts on the topic if you want my opinion lol

[Kafein]

The problem of 1h is not having enough unrealistic features/straight glitches in their favor 

[Dezilagel]

The 1h right swing is the reason any good player will facehug + circle youme to yourmy right while hiltslashing and basically not risk anything while doing it.

Fixed.

With proper turning the rightswing won't glance like that.

[Joseph Porta]

Ive always found the right swing situational when it comes to its use, i wouldnt like to have it at the same speed level as the left swing, and if they kite your right hiltslashing, move forward, get out of its range cause those fools will just kite away from you, block and turn for a hit. 

[BADPLAYER_old2]

Poles got the worst animations and got the best stats to compensate, 2h got the best animations and got the second best stats to compensate, 1h got the second best animations and got the worst stats 'cause lol.

Shields.

[Teeth]

Just sayin', but 1h no shield get none of the 1h bonuses besides sexy animations.

Lies, 1h, 1h/2h and 2h wielded weapons all have a different modifier for how much the weight of a carried weapon decreases your movement speed. 1h has the best modifier, which added to the fact that the weapons are mostly very light anyway, makes you have a lot more movement speed. Not top speed as much as strafe speed, which is extremely important and its effect should not be underestimated. 1h no shield is a class for the exquisite anyway, so it does not need a buff. Besides, on the duel and siege servers a 1h no shield is far from underpowered.


On topic:
There is a lot of people here that just need to learn to play. 1h has amazing animations, suited like no other to fuck up someone quickly in a 1 vs 1, while also having extremely good reach. There are so much shielders I see daily which only scratch the surface of the tricks and possibilities 1h has to offer, people get lazy from having a shield. The right swing is amazingly long and does not glance easily at all. Yes, it is slow, but if you use it with proper footwork that only increases its amazing reach.  The overhead is extremely fast and confusing, cause it resembles the leftswing. The leftswing is extremely fast, can hit very early in the animation and hits up high. Stab used to be amazing, I am curious how the overhead and stab fare now on EU_1.

I recommend any of the people here who claims that 1h has bad animations, to go 1h without a shield for a while and really think about what kind of tricks you can come up with.

I don't know if the term 'shielders' included hoplites, but I agree. Hoplites are the strongest battle class. Amazing damage output, counters cav and ranged. If played properly it does decently in a 1 vs 1. Not a single class allows me to affect the chances of victory of my team like hoplite does.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Lies, 1h, 1h/2h and 2h wielded weapons all have a different modifier for how much the weight of a carried weapon decreases your movement speed. 1h has the best modifier, which added to the fact that the weapons are mostly very light anyway, makes you have a lot more movement speed. Not top speed as much as strafe speed, which is extremely important and its effect should not be underestimated. 1h no shield is a class for the exquisite anyway, so it does not need a buff. Besides, on the duel and siege servers a 1h no shield is far from underpowered.


On topic:
There is a lot of people here that just need to learn to play. 1h has amazing animations, suited like no other to fuck up someone quickly in a 1 vs 1, while also having extremely good reach. There are so much shielders I see daily which only scratch the surface of the tricks and possibilities 1h has to offer, people get lazy from having a shield. The right swing is amazingly long and does not glance easily at all. Yes, it is slow, but if you use it with proper footwork that only increases its amazing reach.  The overhead is extremely fast and confusing, cause it resembles the leftswing. The leftswing is extremely fast, can hit very early in the animation and hits up high. Stab used to be amazing, I am curious how the overhead and stab fare now on EU_1.

I recommend any of the people here who claims that 1h has bad animations, to go 1h without a shield for a while and really think about what kind of tricks you can come up with.

I don't know if the term 'shielders' included hoplites, but I agree. Hoplites are the strongest battle class. Amazing damage output, counters cav and ranged. If played properly it does decently in a 1 vs 1. Not a single class allows me to affect the chances of victory of my team like hoplite does.

You basically rq'd 1h no shield, just saying.
EDIT: Wait, on second thought I'm pretty sure it's Bjord (who sucked hard at it) or Duke (who just sucks hard) who GTX it.

[San]

The 1hand right swing is one of the best animations in the game (pro secrets)

Right swing hater here. I would overhead any day of the week before right swing. It's way too slow. 1h Overhead is secretly one of the best.