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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #105 on: March 07, 2013, 01:43:50 am »
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I´m playing my lvl 30 18/18 1h shield alt at the moment and it is more effective than my lvl 33 main 2h spammer.

I make more points, survive longer and can slaughter archer folks easily. It definitily does not need any kind of a buff. It´s fine as it is.

I´m even thinking about respeccing my main to 1h shield once I reach lvl 34, because it´s so much more effective on battle mode.

Hah! Mine is Lv30 18/18 too.  I don't intend to respec to shielder; I like swinging a sword with two-hands too much I guess.  It definitely is easier to do well as a shielder in my experience though.  At the very least it's nice to not have to dance around constantly like some spastic ADHD sufferer because of all the missiles flying around.

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #106 on: March 07, 2013, 02:43:07 am »
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I think right swing is good, but definitely situational. I use all my swings quite a bit, including right swing. I find myself regretting using right swing all the time, while getting more utility out of the others. That is why I 'hate' the right swing.

thats cause you use a steel pick and the right swing still has no range on a steel pick.

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #107 on: March 07, 2013, 03:51:47 am »
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Threads like this are stupid. If you believe that shielders are OP, you are also dumb.

Overall the classes have been pretty well balanced for a while. Sure there needs to be some tweaking here and there, (mostly with sweetspots) but they're pretty good overall.

I consider 2h the middle-of-the-road class. It's good at everything, but not great at anything. It has good animations, good speed, good length, good damage...etc. It's also the reason why I find 2h boring as fuck, but that's just me.

Polearms have the best utility weapons and the best support weapons. Polearms are on the slower end, but most have pretty good length and overall they have really good damage. They do have the worst animations overall in my opinion though.

1h has the worst damage, the worst length, the fastest weapons, perfect blocking from the front, ranged defense and the second best animations in the game. I say second best as 1h animations are very situational. Each animation is fantastic in certain situations, and shitty in other situations.

So looking it the classes as a whole, 2h is the middle of the road class and both poles and 1-handers are min-maxed to a degree. They're great in some situations, not so great at others.

This whole conversation is stupid anyway, since it mostly comes down to the individual players. This mod would be so much better if all this e-peen class bullshit stopped coming up all the time...
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #108 on: March 07, 2013, 04:07:15 am »
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thats cause you use a steel pick and the right swing still has no range on a steel pick.

I used that weapon maybe 4-5 months ago? Even so, overhead still worked much better.

@Rusty, I find healthy discussion of the metagame part of it all, too. I like a lot of this theorycrafting stuff. (of course with broken crpg player English)

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #109 on: March 07, 2013, 11:34:35 am »
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You basically rq'd 1h no shield, just saying.
EDIT: Wait, on second thought I'm pretty sure it's Bjord (who sucked hard at it) or Duke (who just sucks hard) who GTX it.
Bjord played 1h no shield, he didn't suck hard, he rather topped the scoreboards with it.
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #110 on: March 07, 2013, 11:42:57 am »
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What?
Oops. :oops: You're right. I was referring to siege gamemode. People just tend to spam more and get more kills, mainly 2h/pole are better at it.
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #111 on: March 07, 2013, 11:46:27 am »
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Bjord played 1h no shield, he didn't suck hard, he rather topped the scoreboards with it.

Yes Zlisch, I don't know where you got that from..  :shock: besides, do you ever play on EU1?
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #112 on: March 07, 2013, 12:02:38 pm »
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Sure, classes are as balanced now as they have ever been, probably, and it is possible to be succesful and do good with any class.

What still differs is the amount of effort required to play each class. 2h, especially when using a greatsword of some sort or another, takes by far the least effort to achieve this. Stat changes or anything won't change this, it depends purely on the metagame and animations.

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #113 on: March 07, 2013, 12:13:15 pm »
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shielder the strongest class, that made me laugh

game is infantry based basically 90% now, best weapon for infantry fight is obviously the longspear, take some tincan with it, = strongest class

best target switching / damage, gives cavalry protection, tincan protects against arrows, since turnrate nerf you can facestab with it

Only reason it's the strongest class is because armour is so insanely freakin huge in crpg, any class that can feasibly take more armour and get away with it whilst still remaining effective has an instant advantage
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #114 on: March 07, 2013, 12:32:30 pm »
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shielder the strongest class, that made me laugh

game is infantry based basically 90% now, best weapon for infantry fight is obviously the longspear, take some tincan with it, = strongest class

best target switching / damage, gives cavalry protection, tincan protects against arrows, since turnrate nerf you can facestab with it

Only reason it's the strongest class is because armour is so insanely freakin huge in crpg, any class that can feasibly take more armour and get away with it whilst still remaining effective has an instant advantage

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #115 on: March 07, 2013, 12:36:02 pm »
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I think he means those shilder, which i see yesterday on servers with crossbow,1h sword,steel shild in heavy armor.
Btw it is a easy class...they r faster...indestructible shilds...only one button to block :mrgreen:...can fight better in tight spaces(important 4 siege players) and the damage of this 1-hander is near by 2-handers(is this english correctly?)
Ofc..there r 10% which can block without shild...but look how manny ppl play this class?
This should be the answer enough^^
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That is my personal opinion and i'v got no problem with those ballance...i play a 2h...atm and it is a other same thing :wink:
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #116 on: March 07, 2013, 12:52:47 pm »
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I think he means those shilder, which i see yesterday on servers with crossbow,1h sword,steel shild in heavy armor.
Btw it is a easy class...they r faster...indestructible shilds...only one button to block :mrgreen:...can fight better in tight spaces(important 4 siege players) and the damage of this 1-hander is near by 2-handers(is this english correctly?)
Ofc..there r 10% which can block without shild...but look how manny ppl play this class?
This should be the answer enough^^
We can se this by the downvotes :mrgreen:
So now show me your downvotes to see that I am right :mrgreen:

That is my personal opinion and i'v got no problem with those ballance...i play a 2h...atm and it is a other same thing :wink:
I think this is was this guy means...so calm down and does not vote him down.
Nobody has deserves this...thx

it's not as if blocking is some magical skill which only the rare few possess ... play on nditions for 3 or 4 hours and you'll be as good at blocking as the next guy
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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #117 on: March 07, 2013, 01:00:34 pm »
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shield is easymode as fuck, way moreso than cav.

therefore i am going shield next gen

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #118 on: March 07, 2013, 02:39:13 pm »
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shield is easymode as fuck, way moreso than cav.

therefore i am going shield next gen

Aren't you built to counter shielders?

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Re: so are shielders the strongest class now or what?
« Reply #119 on: March 07, 2013, 02:55:10 pm »
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Yes Zlisch, I don't know where you got that from..  :shock: besides, do you ever play on EU1?
Not really, but every time I saw him on any server with that build he didn't perform very well.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.