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What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« on: March 05, 2013, 05:32:00 pm »
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First up, this is not a whine thread. I would like to understand if the community feels the change of crossbows (light and regular) to 2 slots was warranted and what the pro's & con's are.

2 SLOT XBOWS YAY or NAY?

Pro's of the change:
  • Less ranged on the battlefield
  • Works around the issue of no dedicated point investment necessary to use a crossbow (for some build types only - see below)

Con's of the change:
  • Almost entirely eliminating the "class" of 2 handed sword and polearm crossbow hybrids (there are no valid one-slot 2 handers besides the mace, three* 1 handers in alternative mode, and a very limited amount of on slot polearms available)
  • Further discourages hybrids and promotes dedicated strength/agi builds
  • Reduction of variety on the battlefield
  • Affects only certain build types, not 1hd xbow users
  • No incentive (besides price) to use the regular xbow over the heavy xbow or arbalest anymore
  • Need for massive respecs/training lessons
  • Inadvertently buffed horse crossbows in this patch. 2h/pole users can't carry a crossbow sidearm anymore, so there will be even fewer threats to HX

Was the feeling in the community that the combination of two-slot main weapon and one-slot crossbow + bolts was overpowered? Is the intention to make all crossbow users 1 handers only? Was there simply too much ranged in game?

Are there alternatives to fix the con's without resulting in two-slot crossbows? Is this only a way to address the root cause issue: no dedicated point investment necessary to use an xbow?


Discuss and I will add your comments to the pro's and con's.


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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2013, 05:38:56 pm »
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why only two? do you people forget about the poor Military sickle? 31 pierce or something mw in 2h mode. probably why mine was instantly taken from the marketplace when patch hit.



I would be in favour of making the bastard/hbs and or longsword 1 slot to compensate 2hders and spear and hafted blade 1 slot for polearms. would be nice i think


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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2013, 05:40:31 pm »
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I always play with arbalest so I don't care =)
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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2013, 05:42:12 pm »
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i rarely 1shotted anyone with light crossbow, damage isnt so great. maybe with a headshot but those are rare as well. i dont understand why that was changed now.
id understand if normal crossbow was made 2 slots again, but please revert light xbow
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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2013, 05:42:33 pm »
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I'd say it was well needed, as the range spam from "casuals" using the standard crossbow was absurd, and I am so grateful that the crossbow spam was finally taken care of. 2 Slots for the light seems a bit odd, but I'm neutral on that and waiting to see.
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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2013, 05:44:06 pm »
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Pro: Brings xbow into parity with archery where weapon options are concerned, especially the HX/HA disparity.

I would be in favour of making the bastard/hbs and or longsword 1 slot to compensate 2hders and spear and hafted blade 1 slot for polearms. would be nice i think.

2 handers weren't affected. Xbow users who also wanted a 2 hander were, but they don't need the compensation. See the parity comment above.

i rarely 1shotted anyone with light crossbow, damage isnt so great. maybe with a headshot but those are rare as well. i dont understand why that was changed now.
id understand if normal crossbow was made 2 slots again, but please revert light xbow

It certainly performs one-shot kills from horseback.  :idea:
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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2013, 05:45:30 pm »
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It certainly performs one-shot kills from horseback.  :idea:
yeah maybe better on horseback, but it isnt so great on foot, maybe  make only hunting crossbow usable on horseback and change light crossbow back.
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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2013, 05:47:37 pm »
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I see people QQing about not being able to use pierce or blunt well


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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2013, 05:47:48 pm »
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It looks like they tried to help sword and board crossbows, because they put in a 0 slot 1 hander.    However, it's kind of a boner for me, since I used an Arabian Cav sword.

Sure wish the light crossbow was 1 slot again. :/  Not sure what I'm going to do yet.

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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2013, 05:52:21 pm »
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the 2 slots on the light seems to be geared towards HX, but it really only affects a hybrid HX(one that wants to fight) rather than a pure.
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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2013, 05:57:22 pm »
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I'd say it was well needed, as the range spam from "casuals" using the standard crossbow was absurd, and I am so grateful that the crossbow spam was finally taken care of. 2 Slots for the light seems a bit odd, but I'm neutral on that and waiting to see.

Unless you invested points into crossbow you reloaded as fast as your grampa gets an erection. If you mean spam as in the proliferation, the same thought applies. Doesn't matter if there are several crossbows on one team, since they are very vulnerable while reloading.

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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2013, 05:57:42 pm »
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Pro: Brings xbow into parity with archery where weapon options are concerned, especially the HX/HA disparity.

I do disagree here. When it comes to weapons choice, bows currently have 6 one-slot options and only 2 two-slot options. Combine that with 1 stack of arrows and you have a viable 2hander archer combo. I have on of these alts myself.

I know one stack of arrows is not ideal, but hybrids always need to sacrifice somewhere.
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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2013, 05:59:56 pm »
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its realistic that you cant use two crossbows, but my lvl 30 7/33 double xbow shotgunner is fucked now. please add some onehanded xbows

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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2013, 06:02:18 pm »
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I think the 2h/xbow hybrids were overpowered, basically having ranged at no cost. I would have rather seen a minimum wpf requirement instead of making the crossbow two slots since it seems like if you want to play that class then the arb is a better choice.

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Re: What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2013, 06:04:10 pm »
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I think the 2h/xbow hybrids were overpowered, basically having ranged at no cost. I would have rather seen a minimum wpf requirement instead of making the crossbow two slots since it seems like if you want to play that class then the arb is a better choice.

I agree with you, a lot of "non-casual" hybrids like myself had xbow wpf (>100 in my case) though.
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