What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?

[TheAppleSauceMan]

Ya apple thats the thing. Its not all that fair that you can blackbar me with an arbalast, it doesnt matter you have no skill in it it still hits like a truck and its not hard to hit someone with it even without any WPF. Its dumb that you can carry this shotgun around, invest no points in it, blackbar me when im coming at you and then once i engage you in combat your just as effective as a full melle build, which is what you are. An archer could shoot me several times while im coming at them and blackbar me but once i engage in melle combat they are at a serious disadvantage.

Agreed. Using an xbow needs to have a downside. I remember when I was leveling as a peasant after retiring, I just ran around with an xbow or arbalest with no wpf because it was more effective then melee as a peasant. It's really ridiculous how accurate and fast I was with 0 wpf. I was getting kill shots left and right. I think this needed to be done.

Also; were you being hypothetical Lemmy or do you believe I'm an xbow user? If so I think you may have me confused for someone else lol.

[Turboflex]

I don't think hybrid 2h/pole + xbow was a big problem. used by meleers they are anti-kite measures, it allowed more people to take on the real crap that ruins c-rpg like kiters, archers camping hard to reach spots, and circling opportunist cav. Watch archers and cav get more out of control now with less xbows around to fire at them long range.

[dynamike]

I think this was necessary. Completely prevents me from taking a crossbow with 1 wpf when I go swinging my axe on foot. I only did it because a big bunch of others did the same thing. Now I should not have the need for that anymore.

Sure it made some slasher xbow hybrids not usable, but I guess that's the price we have to pay...

I don't disagree with your point that there needed to be more requirements for xbow usage. But for people that invested (WPF) in being able to use an xbow, it ruined it.

The thought counts, just the ways of going about it are flawed.

I don't think hybrid 2h/pole + xbow was a big problem. used by meleers they are anti-kite measures, it allowed more people to take on the real crap that ruins c-rpg like kiters, archers camping hard to reach spots, and circling opportunist cav. Watch archers and cav get more out of control now with less xbows around to fire at them long range.

Also this.

[the real god emperor]

It just made normal xbow useless.

[Lemmy_Winks]

I don't think hybrid 2h/pole + xbow was a big problem. used by meleers they are anti-kite measures, it allowed more people to take on the real crap that ruins c-rpg like kiters, archers camping hard to reach spots, and circling opportunist cav. Watch archers and cav get more out of control now with less xbows around to fire at them long range.

Not sure about these points here:

Kiters: By kiting i assume your refering to archers, do you expect them to stand there and let you kill them? They are ranged they are doing what they are supposed to do. If your not referring to them kiting is a legitamte strategy. No one is forcing you to follow the kiter. Many times i get dehorsed behind enemy lines, like 5 people will try to jump me, i know theres no way i can kill them so i hold block and backpedal, leading the 5 guys out of the combat area so that they cannot help their team. Its their choice if they want to follow someone out into an uninhabited forest while their team is dieing because they are 5 men down no one is making them follow me the kiter, and tehy would have to be pretty stupid to follow me or any kiter in a situation like that. Dont follow the kiter, go help your team he cant make you follow him.

Archers camping: Again they are ranged this is what they are supposed to do its not cheap crap. The only archer i can recall camping hard to reach places is ivana, who wall walked onto some ledge a week ago or so and delayed the game. When archers camp they are almost never in a place you cant hit by jsut jump slashing its not hard. Plus its not liek their arent other archers to shoot them.

Opertunist cav: Again this is what cav are supposed to do its how the class is played its not cheap crap that you need xbows for to counter. Why would a cav willingly attack someoen whose aware of his presence and will defend himself when he could safely stab someone in the back? Unless your GL/HL cav you basically have to do this to avoid serious harm or death, at the speed your going if you get hit your probably dead. Again just pay attention to whats going on around you and you wont be a victim of opertunist cav.

And furthermore i would argue this change will cause the birht of the xbow class which never existed really, becuase who would be dedicated xbow when you can be melle and use an xbow almost just as well.

[Duster]

Poor Remnants, half of their player's builds made useless in one fell patch.

[Tydeus]

Stop being so stubborn, and start putting throwing into your 2h/polearm builds. Oh wait, you'd actually have to sacrifice something for the increased versatility, guess not! 

Edit: Sacrificing 3 skill points for wm so you can get wpf in your crossbow isn't nearly enough considering how much effectiveness you gain from bringing the crossbow with your 2 slot melee weapon.

[XXTNTXX]

please revert light xbow to 1 slot

[karasu]

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[Prpavi]

im down fro 3 slot xbows.

[dynamike]

Stop being so stubborn, and start putting throwing into your 2h/polearm builds. Oh wait, you'd actually have to sacrifice something for the increased versatility, guess not! 

Edit: Sacrificing 3 skill points for wm so you can get wpf in your crossbow isn't nearly enough considering how much effectiveness you gain from bringing the crossbow with your 2 slot melee weapon.

Used to do that as well for some gens and had fun doing it.

[EyeBeat]

I think the 2h/xbow hybrids were overpowered, basically having ranged at no cost.

This.  I am happy with the change.

The problem was you had these 2 handers with tons of armor hiding behind cover the whole round taking pot shots.  It was a min/maxer hybrid class and it really needed to go.

[oohillac]

The problem was you had these 2 handers with tons of armor hiding behind cover the whole round taking pot shots.  It was a min/maxer hybrid class and it really needed to go.

This 100%.  Fighting past a whole team, charging through a rain of bolts, only to find a well-armoured, full-health pure greatsword user with 2 extra WM for the crossbow was ridiculous.

[SHinOCk]

Im happy with the change, Having an xbow and doing max ranged damage at no cost beside some wpf for better accuracy was stupid and Op

I do think that people lvl 34 and up affected by this change (mainly 2h/xbow) should receive a respec book because while its still a ''Beta'', Its not fair for someone to have his whole build screwed and having no kind of compensation after having spend like 50 million exp and countless hours tweaking it.

[isatis]

I'm pretty sure the guy who sold me his mw hunting xbow for 900k is mad now

(P.-S. I do not own this awesomeness for now... I had pity of Techno and got a +3 long dagger after some trading )