What do you think of the 2 slot xbows change?

[Sultan Eren]

Best thing that ever happened in crpg history.

[Rumblood]

Maybe so, but it's about at the level of the Nomad Bow/Bodkins with 6 PD.

I use the Nomad Bow with 3 PD and normal arrows, so it is far more powerful that what I use. You aren't giving a reason it needs to be changed to be even more powerful.

(Yes, to attain the level of accuracy and ammo capacity to be effective in my class, I don't have room to upgrade without being level 34+ and that isn't something that should be required for the average casual and or especially a new player to be expected to achieve for effectiveness just to compete with what xbows get out of the box)

[Tears of Destiny]

Maybe so, but it's about at the level of the Nomad Bow/Bodkins with 6 PD.

I'd hate to say it but a HX using that and then comparing him to a HA with 6PD is going to result in a wildly inaccurate HA for comparison at level 30.


It seems justified to me, but that is just me. For the savings of 6 skill points you have a weapon that sacrifices an additional slot, this seems fair-ish.


Last Point: The 'community' hated kiting archers with no melee weapon, this two-slot light crossbow change now leaves almost zero excuse for HX and "greased lightning" run-and-gun light crossbow ground builds to take a weapon.

[Emotion]

All you casual wanna-be crossbowers, saying the arb is better than the heavy is another sign of a standard pleb.

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[Tindel]

If it means less people shooting me its a good change.

[Thedric]

Hybrids imho are a bullshit class, that has no place in this mod. If it were up to me id make archers useless at melee, slow down 2h to a point where they'd be forced to armor crutch, make spears more deadly (therefore more common) and buff horses so that spears slow them down by a certain mount, not stop them completely(right now a plated charger can be stopped by a single shitty peasant spear). Basically id like to see cRPG combat resemble the reality as much as possible, moving the focus away from individuals and towards teamwork. I mean c'mon, you think the crusaders had 2h heroes running around the field in light armor assassinating the enemies by their dozens?

[Strider]

Complete BS. I despise anything that limits the amount of gameplay styles we can choose from.

[no_rules_just_play]

the light xbow was never a strong weapon. It was a fun weapon to use with a xbow shotgun runner, i had so much fun with it. whats left now? a useless piece of shit that also isnt fun anymore.

[Tydeus]

I despise anything that limits the amount of gameplay styles we can choose from.

This is the only argument for not making the crossbow 2 slots that makes me hesitant in supporting the change. All the other ones I've seen so far are just varying degrees of QQ.

[Tzar]

A requirement for using crossbows would have been a better option.

But as usual the devs fix things with a sledgehammer 

[Rumblood]

This is the only argument for not making the crossbow 2 slots that makes me hesitant in supporting the change. All the other ones I've seen so far are just varying degrees of QQ.

Yes, but this isn't just a limitation for xbows in isolation. It is simply bringing xbows into line with the limitations placed upon the rest of the game.

[BlueKnight]

2 slot xbows in trade for 0 slot swords. Where is the problem? Hunting crossbow is still 1 slot

The thing is that xbowmen never needed 0 slot weapons because they always had 1 free slot and therefore your reasoning is wrong. Also hunting crossbow is just a joke...

Imho strength requirement on crossbows should be higher (more str) and slot change wouldn't be needed at all. Obviously it would be necessary to implement free respec for errybody which is something that devs won't do never ever. It means that developers are trying to omit that requirement change and wanted to replace it with other system that doesn't have to work like intended and changes values of items drastically.

I just wonder why they changed stats of shitload of weapons but left heavy glance like it's now...

[Aiyasha]

Complete BS. I despise anything that limits the amount of gameplay styles we can choose from.

Then you must have been furious when slots were introduced, because that's all they were intended for.

[Balikar]

So why this thread then?

Because Two handers specifically got nixed from the equation.  There are zero 0 slot two handers, and thus, a crossbowman two hander hybrid was forced to respec, and by forced I'm actually referring to two handers that spec'd into crossbows. 

And with the advent of spikes, something designed IMO to stop horses from tearing up ranged, crossbowman can't use those either.  Those are a simple, one and done toss.  Mind you, I understand the 'reality' of spikes being two slots... bulky, cumbersome pieces of wood...  though I hate to use the term reality in any relation to any video game.

[Grumbs]

Use Hunting Crossbow. The whole concept of having good ranged and the best melee is absurd anyway