"Your prof in throwing is too low"

[Dravic]

This change does is make it harder for people to play a character which has a little bit of throwing to back up a different skill, which is something I have more of a problem with.

Finally.

[Keshian]

I've heard this is also true for powerstrike and powerdraw.  Would really appreciate a framework from developers so we don't accidentally gimp a build because we didnt build it the way they like it.

[AlbaTiger]

Finally.

The thing is this change relating to power throw and wpf is ON TOP of the reduced stack sizes and increased slot numbers.

I agree that before when you had someone with PT 5-6, 8 heavy axes, heavy shield and a good melee weapon and all 1h wpf it was too much, but now things seem to have gone a bit far in the other direction.

The reduction of the number of axes in a stack was enough of a balance in my opinion.

Though does anyone know how this actually affects things? Like if you dont have enough wpf for your power throw does it just count it up to how much you do have enough for?

[Asheram]

devs are making good decisions, however the way how these changes become public is in one word: horrible.

At least allow for a respec if they are changing stuff like that.

[Kryser]

Testing Today I learned that its 20 WPN PROF per power throw skill point.

Meaning to throw "1" throwing lance in my light plate outfit, i would need 151 wpn prof to use "it" accurately.

I can no longer spear people in the back, then throw my lance into a horse, because the damn thing will go WAY right or left.

Also without the 20 per skill point, you wont be able to pick up any missed shots.

[Vibe]

Best change ever
Every weapon should have a WPF requirement
Deal with it

[Kryser]

So xbows should need wpf too right? or is the damage reduction enough for you?

To throw accurately 151 wpn prof is insane, only spammers bring there prof that high over 100

That and it makes your upcoming build for throwing based on weapon master 6, because any lower and you cant reach above 146

[Spawny]

My thrower is pretty much screwed over. I had put all my wpf into throwing to get it to 120 and I have 12 PT atm. 12 PT would mean 240 wpf which is impossible.

I can still use my weapons and I can still pick up my missed throwing axes, but the accuracy is as if I don't have any wpf at all.

I can now use my character effectively on sieges, since people don't have much room to dodge on ladders and walls, but anything further than 10 meters away is sheer luck if I hit them.

As it seems now, the only viable dedicated thrower build is 18/18 and spare points converted to more agility.
Have fun dodging my pinpoint accurate, even faster (due to having 150+wpf), 6 PT heavy axes.

Just sad that when I hit you it hurts a bit, but doesn't kill you.

*EDIT*

With 20 wpf per point in PT I came up with this 21/15 build (surprisingly):

Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hit points: 66
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 5
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 0
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 7
Weapon Master: 5

One Handed: 60
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 140

Just combine wardarts or throwing axes with a 1h weapon and you're set. Steel pick+7 PS is going to hurt when it get's up close and personal. 5 athletics allows for decent movement.
Looks solid. I hope I get the chance to respec

[AlbaTiger]

Best change ever
Every weapon should have a WPF requirement
Deal with it

Compared to say ... horse archers? which if anything got buffed by the last patch.

I agree that throwing lances were bullshite, but rendering throwing so underpowered compared to bows and crossbows simply because of one unbalanced weapon and a few min/maxed builds with ridiculously high PT is pretty poor.

It isn't like bows, crossbows and shields weren't already easy and simple counters to throwers.

While I do mostly play infantry the massive difference after the patch between the damage done to throwers and the buffs made to archers is most obvious when I play as a mounted thrower. Before it was difficult but not impossible to go toe to toe with horse archers and with a bit of luck or skill bring down their horse or rider with throwing weapons, but now the thrower has far less shots, far less powerful shots as jarids have been rendered useless by being 2 slots for 3, while horse archers get way more shots, and stronger shots, that are more accurate and have much better range.

It is beyond me how anyone could have thought throwers were more deserving of a depowering than horse archers.

[cmp]

Testing Today I learned that its 20 WPN PROF per power throw skill point.

You didn't test very well.

[Digglez]

You didn't test very well.

Maybe you didnt test your code very well

[Astinus]

Rumors say that it's 14 wpf per pt, not 20

[cmp]

Maybe you didnt test your code very well

If the code says a = x, then a = x. There's not much to test.

[Ozin]

Hint - armor weight penalty is applied first. This mean that the wpf requirement = 14*(pt-level)+penalty

[Brutal]

IF it's 14wpf that mean the highest useful PT you can get is 9 because with 10PT  you only get 133wpf while you need 140wpf wearing no armor.
 That sux  , so much for diversity