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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2013, 12:29:01 am »
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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2013, 12:30:00 am »
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Also Spearmen were the most common of all soldiers. The spear is the most used weapon in history. I don't remember seeing tapestries of armies of greatsword weiding kuyak heroes invading England.
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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2013, 12:32:30 am »
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Hoplites can easily be shut down in battles just like pikemen, as a shielder just block one of their attacks then hold attack against them untill they either let their guard down or just keep holding and watch them be unable to do anything ^^ This is atleast what i do against pikemen as a hoplite ;) Problem is you have to rely on teammates fighting the rest meanwhile..
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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2013, 12:34:18 am »
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a warspear with shield outranges my long awlpike...

nuff said

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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2013, 12:35:50 am »
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a warspear with shield outranges my long awlpike...

nuff said

But your long awlpike outdamages + outspeeds the warspear ^^
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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2013, 12:38:32 am »
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good one, but what mlecke says is kinda true :P
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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2013, 12:39:56 am »
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outdamage maybe, outspeed? not at all. they use their autoblock shield and insane reach each time i try to stab, if i hit their shield, i get an insane stun and if i come to close they can still do their insane stupid turn (wich my weapon cant btw)

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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2013, 12:43:50 am »
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outdamage maybe, outspeed? not at all. they use their autoblock shield and insane reach each time i try to stab, if i hit their shield, i get an insane stun and if i come to close they can still do their insane stupid turn (wich my weapon cant btw)

Then dont fight them one on one, your weapon doesnt seem to be that good in 1v1 but can probably pump out some nasty damage in teamfights. Or carry an axe and smash their shields when you find one. Adapt.
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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2013, 12:55:10 am »
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Then dont fight them one on one, your weapon doesnt seem to be that good in 1v1 but can probably pump out some nasty damage in teamfights. Or carry an axe and smash their shields when you find one. Adapt.
I dont care that my pikes arent good at 1v1, but with 1v1 we mean combat were the attacker is very close to you. the problem here is that the ONLY thing where my weapon should be good at (stabbing from a range) is impossible against a class with a weapon that shouldnt have a this insane range (unrealistic, so i hate it).
would you want it that a weapon that is able to outspam you when you let it come close also is able to outreach you? what would you do?

its a stupid as a onehander that has 500 meters of ghostreach and kills an archer across the map

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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2013, 01:01:23 am »
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outdamage maybe, outspeed? not at all. they use their autoblock shield and insane reach each time i try to stab, if i hit their shield, i get an insane stun and if i come to close they can still do their insane stupid turn (wich my weapon cant btw)
You can do stupid turns with a long awlpike, maybe not on EU 2, but on EU 1 the long awlpike should have reasonable turn speed. The long awlpike can easily stab at facehug range. So yes, outspeed and outdamage, outdamage by a fucking lot.

I dont care that my pikes arent good at 1v1, but with 1v1 we mean combat were the attacker is very close to you. the problem here is that the ONLY thing where my weapon should be good at (stabbing from a range) is impossible against a class with a weapon that shouldnt have a this insane range (unrealistic, so i hate it).
would you want it that a weapon that is able to outspam you when you let it come close also is able to outreach you? what would you do?
No hoplite is able to outspam a long awlpike, you don't get the long stun unless you do a late hitting stab, although the mechanics are kinda funky at times. What is unrealistic about the range of hoplite spears?

If you really have that much trouble in a 1 vs 1 with a long awlpike against a hoplite, you might want to learn to chamber, or switch weapons.

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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2013, 01:09:32 am »
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I was Hoplite long before the Hoplite buff because I got sick of getting shot by archers and got sick of the easy mode cavalry bumping and lancing me to death, also because I like to teamplay and as a hoplite I didn't get much kills but helped the Kuyak heroes get kills by sticking with them and stabbing whoever they fought or stopped that cav from backstabbing them.

It's not the Hoplites that are OP, it's teamwork. If you are fighting more than one hoplites on your own then maybe your team did something terribly wrong. If a hoplite kills you on his own, then just shame on you, learn2downblock.

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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2013, 01:12:27 am »
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i was talking about me and some other guy attacking a backpeddeling hoplite, and yes i have 8 ath. this still made it impossible to do anything. be sure i know how to play, but a hoplite is just totally stupid

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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2013, 01:47:19 am »
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i was talking about me and some other guy attacking a backpeddeling hoplite, and yes i have 8 ath. this still made it impossible to do anything. be sure i know how to play, but a hoplite is just totally stupid

You couldnt fight a 2v1 on a hoplite? ._. With high athl it should be easy.
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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2013, 01:52:07 am »
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You couldnt fight a 2v1 on a hoplite? ._. With high athl it should be easy.
i have fought as hoplite and i know that it is easy. the stab is just too long.

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Re: Amount of hoplites...
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2013, 01:58:09 am »
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i have fought as hoplite and i know that it is easy. the stab is just too long.

Thats not the point, you should be able to hold attack against the hoplite so he cant do anything while your teammate attacks his shield and with 8athl you should be able to run behind the hoplite and hit him in the back. He shouldnt be able to fight back at all, but you probably just spammed attacks and during the stun he could fight back.
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