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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #90 on: May 04, 2011, 09:05:47 am »
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can someone calculate what the armor quantity is for the best damage with a longbow?(with armor that has ... armor the longbow is at it's best)
or maybe someone can estimate it.
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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #91 on: May 04, 2011, 02:37:15 pm »
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A longbow - like every other weapon in cRPG - works best against a target with 0 armor.
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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #92 on: May 04, 2011, 03:45:19 pm »
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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #93 on: May 04, 2011, 05:26:03 pm »
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ye ok, pretty logic :wink:... but still st what armor type is the longbow the most effective so not at 0 armor but what is it made for? :?
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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #94 on: May 04, 2011, 05:40:08 pm »
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ye ok, pretty logic :wink:... but still st what armor type is the longbow the most effective so not at 0 armor but what is it made for? :?
By doing pierce damage, it's drop off in damage vs armor is less. Simply by chainmail and past longbow is doing more damage than other bows.
No science cited, sorry :{
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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #95 on: May 04, 2011, 05:44:17 pm »
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By doing pierce damage, it's drop off in damage vs armor is less. Simply by chainmail and past longbow is doing more damage than other bows.
No science cited, sorry :{
look you get it! but would it be best against leather, chainmail, plate and chainmail armors lamellar, plated armor or full plate?
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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #96 on: May 04, 2011, 06:52:55 pm »
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Ok, I'll modifiy your question in a way I can answer it properly. What is the minimum target armor level for causing a mundane longbow to deal in average more damage than a mundane warbow with a standard PD 6, 150 wpf archer using normal bodkin arrows?

Currently it's about 26 armor, with the longbow improvements it will start at about 15 armor.
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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #97 on: May 04, 2011, 07:05:26 pm »
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Sounds good. Though, would it be possible to let us be able to release the arrow before the crosshair starts expanding?

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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #98 on: May 04, 2011, 10:15:53 pm »
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Currently it's about 26 armor

So pretty much everyone except for people who run around naked or in a peasant shirt

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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #99 on: May 05, 2011, 10:48:33 am »
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So pretty much everyone except for people who run around naked or in a peasant shirt
pretty much yeah.
though my lifegoal is still shootiing goretooth in the head and owning him with my longbow.

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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #100 on: May 05, 2011, 01:15:50 pm »
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Still, atm even against well armored target the warbow has much better DPS if I might use this term here, because of its better rate of fire and accuracy.

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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #101 on: May 05, 2011, 04:52:06 pm »
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well i'm not sure about that. but even if so that doesn't mean no one will use the longbow anymore. i still see lots of people using it so it's probably not the worst weapon like in ever! :rolleyes: talk to the hand!
lol, but seriously it still is about personal experience. if you rather shoot at 10-20 yards at paople and laughing when you get a headshot while they whine about you in deathchat, take a longbow. but if you are the snipertype archer take warbow. and if you see your bow more as a sideweapon and/or wanna use a big ass melee weapon, take a strong- or khergitbow.
though i'll stick to the longbow.
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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #102 on: May 05, 2011, 07:54:14 pm »
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well i'm not sure about that. but even if so that doesn't mean no one will use the longbow anymore. i still see lots of people using it so it's probably not the worst weapon like in ever! :rolleyes: talk to the hand!
lol, but seriously it still is about personal experience. if you rather shoot at 10-20 yards at paople and laughing when you get a headshot while they whine about you in deathchat, take a longbow. but if you are the snipertype archer take warbow. and if you see your bow more as a sideweapon and/or wanna use a big ass melee weapon, take a strong- or khergitbow.
though i'll stick to the longbow.

It's not the worst bow, but it's def not a top-tier bow. Even strongbow outclasses it

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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #103 on: July 31, 2011, 03:36:22 pm »
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@CaptainQuantum the damage reduction varies depending on damage dealt to it.

@Kesh and everyone else wanting proof of the damage I posted...sorry it is too complex and Captain Quantum has only begun to explain it. Dont have time for walls of text.
I once spent many many hours making an excel document that not only calculates damage like this but declares which weapon is best. To reveal my work would be to remove my unfair advantage.

But I will post with some formulas used. Remember these are best fit to a line, but they fit really close as long as you are using damage values that are possible with current weapons in the game.

Cutting modifier of damage to leather = 0.8
Cutting modifier of damage to chain = (Damage/100)+.35
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Re: Longbow worse than pre-patch?
« Reply #104 on: July 31, 2011, 05:16:12 pm »
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