Longbow worse than pre-patch?

[EponiCo]

Would be nice to allow a 1 hand (which could manual block just has terrible damage) take no slots, I just need something to parry with because right now when someone reaches me, its either die or run like a coward. I can't use 1 set of arrows because loomed bodkins only give 17 now, it wouldn't be too nice to throw away a loomed item either.

There are. Wooden stick and sickle.
And tbh I find that quite silly - you will still run like a coward until you can find a real weapon, but you have lesser chances to be killed, and then when you have wasted your arrows you pick up a flamberge from the ground.

[Tzar]

I geuss thats the trade off for being able to kill people without taken place in the heat of battle and standing safe behind seige shields walls roofs team mates ect ect..

Now i seen some sick players using 1h without shield gone on rampage so i geuss its not that all bad u just gotta adapt use the steel pick for great awesomeness or elite simitar

[CaptainQuantum]

Ah, thanks for that, due to the website not displaying how many slots each item takes I would of had to try all of the low end stuff for. I will just parry until a team mate helps out, running feels horrible to me. Although you can't exactly blame those who do...

[Tomas_of_Miles]

Daggers only, so no parry. Not exactly defense. Without parry there is not even a chance of surviving. Also someone reduced my awesomebar by 1 point, clearly there was a two hander spammer here (by the way not all 2 hands are spammers or noobs, most understand they should get killed by archers) .

There is the hammer! I am using that on horseback so I can carry two lots of bolts with my light crossbow, or so I can use two lots of bolts with my "Arbalest".

[Tzar]

There is the hammer! I am using that on horseback so I can carry two lots of bolts with my light crossbow, or so I can use two lots of bolts with my "Arbalest".

Try the iberian mace its good fun or steel pick for ouchy dmg 

[Tomas_of_Miles]

Try the iberian mace its good fun or steel pick for ouchy dmg 

0 slots?

[CaptainQuantum]

Just picked up the wooden stick for parrying, I think the new longbow could be reduced in usefullness by my current build. I have a 18/18 build with 150 WPF and 6 PD, perhaps the new longbow favours a higher PD build, which is what I was planning anyway. If anyone could confirm this it would be appreciated.

[Mullerian]

Coldblood_revanent still tops the scoreboard on the battle server form time to times along with jambi so i geuss u just gotta pratice if u think archery is ohh so bad 

While this is true Phyrex was also doing 64-5 and such prepatch as a 2hander which hints to the fact that 2handers are fine and you just need to learn to play. No?

On Topic. The longbow seems fine, i just think it might be a little too far from the warbow on damage so that warbow does superior damage on all but the highest armored targets, but i cant actually prove that.

[CaptainQuantum]

Mullerian seems to of mirrored my thoughts on the longbow, I think it's too far from the warbow on everything but the heaviest, I think it's warbow>longbow for cloth to mail then longbow wins on plate. I think it should be more longbow owns the warbow on plate and mail, warbow wins for cloth to medium. Like Mullerian said though this would need to be tested. He is also right on the Phyrex thing, Revenant is good has an amazing build but doesn't come close to Phyrex, Phyrex has probably a decent build throws in a little manual blocking and a large amount of feinting and ridicules the scoreboards, I am in no way doubting Phyrex's skill hes bloody brilliant, but his scores are probably not justified solely on his skill more due to the 2H being a little too powerful pre-patch.

[Siboire]

Mullerian seems to of mirrored my thoughts on the longbow, I think it's too far from the warbow on everything but the heaviest, I think it's warbow>longbow for cloth to mail then longbow wins on plate. I think it should be more longbow owns the warbow on plate and mail, warbow wins for cloth to medium. Like Mullerian said though this would need to be tested. He is also right on the Phyrex thing, Revenant is good has an amazing build but doesn't come close to Phyrex, Phyrex has probably a decent build throws in a little manual blocking and a large amount of feinting and ridicules the scoreboards, I am in no way doubting Phyrex's skill hes bloody brilliant, but his scores are probably not justified solely on his skill more due to the 2H being a little too powerful pre-patch.

I'm a pure polearm with no points in shield lol (I intend to get points and a good shield next gen though) but I completly agree with you. Warbow is just "the best bow" (how new archers qualify it) cuz like 3/4 of players are in lemellar-to-mail armors but only a small majority is in plate and you rarely see them outside of 5x. So longbow does indeed have a really small window of "being better" than the warbow.

[Kharn]

Damage type makes a difference too though.

Against leather it does 4 less damage than before patch
Against chainmail it does 2 less damage
Against plate it does .5 less damage

But on the hole it doesnt feel good.

[Tennenoth]

Damage type makes a difference too though.

Against leather it does 4 less damage than before patch
Against chainmail it does 2 less damage
Against plate it does .5 less damage

But on the hole it doesnt feel good.

Hmmm, this does give a little bit more evidence to the longbow being worse... Have you got the forumlae that you used to get this?

[Tears of Destiny]

Tzar, this is not a discussion about the warbows or strongbows shooting your sorry ass, this is about the longbow being significantly unbalanced. This is not an archery thread, this is a longbow thread.

To be honest I care little of how often you get shot from the other bows, I only care that the longbow is worse then before (and is rarely if ever shooting you in particular).

[Mullerian]

Damage type makes a difference too though.

Against leather it does 4 less damage than before patch
Against chainmail it does 2 less damage
Against plate it does .5 less damage

But on the hole it doesnt feel good.

Im not getting quite the same numbers but it is quite possible my way to calculating it is just plain wrong. So as the Tenne said, how did you arrive at these numbers?

[Keshian]

I think the hotfix renerfed accuracy of archers back to what it was just before the patch, so longbow less useful.