Fix archer-weight

[Vibe]

At the moment archery is all about standing still and shooting. If there's a cav you don't have the option to try and dodge it using footwork anymore.

I believe reverting bow/arrow weight back to the way it was will make it fun to play archer again and it will be a nerf to cav somewhat since cav can't just run archers over without even trying.

inb4 2h/piker/cav whine.

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[Adamar]

Don't get why people are so serious. I find archery fine at the moment, albeit you need 7+ athl if you want to kite with 2 quivers which I'll finally have 8 athl next level at 32 but I'll only have 1 ps. Which is a down side of me deciding to be able to kite.
So yes, it's either kite a little bit or have power strike which is fine to me.

I just don't get why long spears, xbows don't get nerfed.
So chill out ven

It's not about kitting its about being able to move around without glue on your shoes, so you can use footwork for melee efficiency. Footwork is critical for an archer, considering the low wpf level.

[Vibe]

so you can use footwork for melee efficiency

ahahah that's hilarious, implying archers used their run speed for melee efficiency rather than kiting

[Pentecost]

It's not about kitting its about being able to move around without glue on your shoes, so you can use footwork for melee efficiency. Footwork is critical for an archer, considering the low wpf level.

Is there a reason why you can't just drop your bow and quiver if you know you'll have to duel someone in melee and then pick them back up again after you're done? People with a long spear or other weapons that can't sheathe and aren't much use in 1v1 already do this.

[Adamar]

ahahah that's hilarious, implying archers used their run speed for melee efficiency rather than kiting

I did, smartass, and it's not the run speed, its normal movement too(dodging and stuff) that's been nerfed. And melee is what ppl are asking of archers. Now apparently they are even more eager to invest on athlectics than ps. Who knows why.

Is there a reason why you can't just drop your bow and quiver if you know you'll have to duel someone in melee and then pick them back up again after you're done? People with a long spear or other weapons that can't sheathe and aren't much use in 1v1 already do this.

Because the enemy might overwhelm you and push you back to a friendly zone.

It seems this issue hasn't been discussed enought, if people can't grasp the basics. Problem is archers don't talk about it nearly enought as they should. Like Tears, who just changed builds. Lame.

[Aderyn]

What i can make out of this threads response is that the general opinion of 2h/shield/cav is go hybrid archer or fuck off from the game. :/

If i wanted easy i would go 30/9 str build with 2h and plate. or any other kind of str build that 1-2 hits everyone. ://


i don't wanna have to go this build in order to avoid cav and shielders charging me.

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Level 35 (142 278 448 xp)

    Strength: 15
    Agility: 30
    Hit points: 50

    Skills to attributes: 10

    Ironflesh: 0
    Power Strike: 1
    Shield: 0
    Athletics: 10
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 5
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 10

    One Handed: 1
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 1
    Archery: 194
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1

[Grumpy_Nic]

The only answer to the weight increase of arrows & bolts is to maximise athletics. Dont go to the dark, hybrid side. 2h wont go hybrid, why should you. Always run to make them cry unless you are the last one alive. In their eyes ranged are f-akkot+s anyway so why have "honour" and give a duel or fight in melee.

[Aderyn]

well hybridbuilds are piss and godawful.

If 2h puts 3 points into shield and puts it on their back when fighting maybe they wouldn't cry an endless stream of tears when getting shot.

[Vibe]

What i can make out of this threads response is that the general opinion of 2h/shield/cav is fuck off from the game. :/

yep

[Gravoth_iii]

Now that you cant kite try putting some more points into PS and maybe skip out on some athl. Now you dont have to run, only beat your opponent. It may be hard to block at first but eveyone learns it eventually.

Now nerf crossbowmen aswell, those asshats can still outrun everyone.

[Grumpy_Nic]

Now that you cant kite try putting some more points into PS and maybe skip out on some athl. Now you dont have to run, only beat your opponent. It may be hard to block at first but eveyone learns it eventually.

Now nerf crossbowmen aswell, those asshats can still outrun everyone.

Xbow & bolt weight has been increased at the same time as the arrows. U didnt realize? Shut up. Before that I was actually trying to defend myself in melee, now I wear ultra light armor and just run around the map when somebody is following me, just to show u that I'm gonna stick with my bitchbuild.

Going for 9 Athletics instead of just 8 just to enjoy the QQ.

[Grumbs]

Xbow & bolt weight has been increased at the same time as the arrows. U didnt realize? Shut up. Before that I was actually trying to defend myself in melee, now I wear ultra light armor and just run around the map when somebody is following me, just to show u that I'm gonna stick with my bitchbuild.

Going for 9 Athletics instead of just 8 just to enjoy the QQ.

Xbows can afford to pump points into athletics without losing any ranged capability. Not so for archers, they need to spec into PD as well, so similar weight for xbows makes no sense at all. xbows don't get through as much ammo either. Its easier to find a discarded xbow too (more of them), so you can drop it and stumble across another easier than archers

[Grumpy_Nic]

Xbows can afford to pump points into athletics without losing any ranged capability. Not so for archers, they need to spec into PD as well, so similar weight for xbows makes no sense at all. xbows don't get through as much ammo either. Its easier to find a discarded xbow too (more of them), so you can drop it and stumble across another easier than archers

It seems you do not want diversity. I've made a suggestion once and I think this is the direction we're going when I see all your little crying posts.

No more choices, all chars are converted to this:
Lvl 30
18/18
100wpf in each category
6 Skill points in each Skill

This is you

[Grumbs]

Diversity isn't about have builds that are good at everything. Its about unique, unusual or specialised builds. Being a kiter/melee/ranged guy is the opposite of diversity.

Balancing the game so that people can specialise and for the game to still be balanced is the goal, not having jack of all trades, good at everything builds.

Your 18/18 good at everything build is not at all what i'm looking for, the opposite actually

[Grumpy_Nic]

Diversity isn't about have builds that are good at everything. Its about unique, unusual or specialised builds. Being a kiter/melee/ranged guy is the opposite of diversity.

Balancing the game so that people can specialise and for the game to still be balanced is the goal, not having jack of all trades, good at everything builds.

Your 18/18 good at everything build is not at all what i'm looking for, the opposite actually

Kiter/melee/ranged? Where did you see that build? Runner/bad@melee/ranged is what it is right now. Running is not kiting imo, being able to defend in melee is not good at melee. Are you pissed off because ranged know how to block and they dont drop dead the second you get into melee range? It seems quite so. Let me guess you're pure melee and charge into a bunch of ranged guys on a regular basis? I see this bullshit every time I play and then people complain about ranged because they are just dumb.
If kiter/melee/ranged would be the jack of all trades why dont we have 50 tincans with xbow and melee running around? Make some screenshots right after round start and show me all these "easymode kiter/melee/ranged guys".

Dont be mad because dedicated xbows or ranged do significant damage and are able to block/run away. Are you also complaining if cav does not get down from its horse to fight you?


Edit: Actually, lets just say we have different opinions and close this bullshit topic. I just realized I dont wanna discuss, you're gonna keep playing the way u do and I'm gonna play the way I do it.