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Is the ban request section a disgrace to the community?

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Voting closed: February 01, 2013, 05:40:00 pm

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Offline highglandeur

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Ban request poll of shame
« on: January 25, 2013, 05:40:00 pm »
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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2013, 05:42:19 pm »
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Yes it is and we are brainstorming some changes at the moment.

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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2013, 05:47:36 pm »
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It's like the morning newspaper. Like to check in on it every morning, good source of entertainment to be sure.  :mrgreen:
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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2013, 06:05:35 pm »
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It's like the morning newspaper. Like to check in on it every morning, good source of entertainment to be sure.  :mrgreen:

I do enjoy a read, it's like the cartoon section, colourful and humorous

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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2013, 06:06:55 pm »
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Yes it is and we are brainstorming some changes at the moment.

My suggestion: Separate the two, make it an unban request only and have a either report to moderator function for ban requests or a write only forum where users cannot read other ban requests.

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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2013, 06:09:12 pm »
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I do enjoy a read, it's like the cartoon section, colourful and humorous

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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2013, 06:14:34 pm »
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My suggestion: Separate the two, make it an unban request only and have a either report to moderator function for ban requests or a write only forum where users cannot read other ban requests.
lol not what i had in mind

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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2013, 06:18:20 pm »
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1...ofc...but sometimes it is funny :mrgreen:

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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2013, 06:49:27 pm »
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Maybe have email addresses where people sends issues. People who abuse it would obviously get punishments, but it would at least make it less of a public spectacle. The guy who accuses someone would have to provide his own evidence in the email or get witnesses beforehand

Then you could just publicly state who is banned and for how long and lock the thread with info for appeals (via appeals email address)
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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2013, 06:52:01 pm »
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I am a bit confused here. If there is a request to get someone banned for something a person did and VALID PROOF which confirms that the accusations made are true is presented, the only disgrace I can spot are the actions of the offender. Public access to those incidents does not at all seem wrong or unjustified to me. I even think the contrary is the case and I support keeping those ban requests for all people to see.
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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2013, 06:55:32 pm »
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People can thrive off drama. If they just get banned then that might act as a better deterrent than giving them a soap box and allowing them to draw supporters to them.

I think its too public atm, people should just get bans that reflect what they did and that is the end of it
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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2013, 07:11:29 pm »
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It is not about the display, it is about the act of posting a ban request.
You can always find examples where you will believe it is right or fair or just to post a ban request, and it may well be.
Still it develops a bad atmosphere in the community, people constantly telling on each other.
Admins who did not witness the scene provide days of ban subjectively, hence unfairly.

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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2013, 07:29:28 pm »
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Legitimate ban requests are not at issue. The problem is the baiting that takes place simply to post a ban request on a player in order to troll a video game community (always leaving out what they did to get those screenshots) and just plain vindictive requests that are usually about personal pissing contests. Couple in incidents where an accidental hit occurs and ragenerd posts about it anyhow, plus drama lovers drawn like flies to a corpse who feel they need to add in their two cents and you get a cesspool. I won't even get into the timesink involved researching the incident to find that often the OP deserves a ban at least as much as their target.

Hopefully Meow and the gang can find a good solution to clean it up.
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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2013, 08:10:36 pm »
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Well, first brainstorming with some admins/devs yesterday kinda came up with this:
Like with the admin abuse forum back in the days you have to wait 24h after the incident before you post a ban request.
When you post it you need to follow some basic format including time/date of the incident, server, offending player name and proof.

If you miss any of those or the 24h delay the thread just gets deleted.
This will remove a ton of rage ban requests and probably some of the "I don't like this guy so I will try to get him banned for every thing I can find that could somehow be punishable" requests as well.

For urgent matters the ban forum is not the right place anyway, lots of admins can be contacted via IRC and steam so people should make use of that if no admin is available in game.
Same goes for other stuff where people got proof and it's a valid ban reason, they can just go to irc and talk to an admin, present their proof and the admin can post a "Player X has been banned"
thread and put the proof and the reporting player in there.
That way you can circumvent the 24h delay but an admin gets the chance to judge if it is a valid request or not instead of having tons of random ban requests floating around where players just throw shit at each other because they are mad.

Needs some tweaking and especially the go from the overlords but I think this would improve the handling of bans overall and would make the ban section way less painful for all the admins.

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Re: Ban request poll of shame
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2013, 08:45:51 pm »
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where is the fun part about this? i want daily amusement!!