Possible solution to future whine

[Riddaren]

I'm not sure what this reset is about.

Either way resetting is bad if people have something to lose. It's not fair to take away all of the things somone have earned by playing (and supporting) the mod for a long time.
Who would not feel bad if they got their level changed from 35 to 1 and lost all of their 9 heirloomed items? These players have sacrificied their own life to cRPG. I think they deserve some respect.

But if you make a reset make it permanent. No more retiring. No more heirloomed items. Set level cap to 30.
THAT would definately end alot of whining and it would be very fair as "grinders" won't have any advantage.
After that you can reset how much you want as people won't lose anything (given the level is capped to 30).

The worst option is to reset the characters every three months while still letting people be able to heirloom items.
I mean, what's the point of having an option to progress if it will only benefit you for a limited time?
It will cause nothing but frustration and misery and people will eventually quit playing cRPG.

[Bjarky]

hmmm.... i have been in 2 total resets and don't remember people getting overly frustrated about it, most people just enjoy the startover where everyone is an peasant = peasant wars ^^
it's just to fun to go at it all peasant style with stones, clubs, forks, sickle's and trying to beat others in buying better gear.

maybe there where some people angry about it, but i just don't remember any big angry posts, could be i just blocked this out of my brain though 

[Keshian]

Both those resets were very early in the mod where it was moving from being very difficult to get to level 30 to being easier and easier each time.  (Pre-january even got over level 40), what you would be talking about is in the reverse direction where people become more and more limited like in an early stage mod and losing all their progress and character development so yes it would be annoying and very frustrating for many people.

[Gondemar]

I don't like to whine.
I play for fun, not to leech, not to grind pr anything.
But I have gone through two resets, and as a "not gen 1 but low gen" player, it's quite frustrating to see the few advantages I managed to get.
Got to "scary great long bardiche" and a "thick churburg" in first version, gen 4 character. Got back to "heavy great long bardiche", so one heirloom with the patch. No problem. I played for fun after all. I created a few characters (A 2 hander, a rider, a thrower, an archer, and I kept my first character as polearm infantry). Got to retire that character one more time (powerful glb), and my two hander two times (balanced no dachi), which doesn't seems to hardcore in a few months.
But this is becoming a bit discouraging, don't you think ?

I was thinking, maybe give one heirloom every X generation, with at least 1 for gen 2+ characters ? Maybe only one ?
Or make the first (and second maybe) heirlooms easier to get (give you a little time to try the character and the weapon you'll wan't to use or armor you'll want to wear mostly) ?
Maybe give the possibility to heirloom one thing anytime, even for gen 1. You'll have YOUR weapon, armor, or something like that. One special little thing your character has.

Just to say, I understand what you're trying to do, but there might be a few better ways to do that :
- logarithmic XP bonus for retirement ? (10% when you're gen 2, 9 at gen 3, and 1% after gen 10 -for example, can be less)
- number of heirlooms cap ?
- one free heirloom for everyone ?
- reducing the heirlooms bonus was a good thing. I'd do that a little more, like the last, or second heirloom on armors gives you only a +1 armor (+5 total instead of +6), little things like that.

Be sure, I won't stop to play cRPG, and the last patch is great. But for casual (well, or semi casual) gamers who just played a little, for a long time, removing ALL heirlooms, when you'll have to plays for monthes again to get them back... It's a bit harsh...

Edit : just saw you other post. Forget the "whine" part of this post, just the last part with a few ideas. But yeah, there is no more bad points to this patch ^^

[Dravic]

Maybe give the possibility to heirloom one thing anytime, even for gen 1. You'll have YOUR weapon, armor, or something like that. One special little thing your character has.

Good idea. 1 heirloom point for every new character from now on, and you can distribute that point when you hit 15 lvl (so you actually know what is going on in mod and can afford your fav weapon).

That would lure more people (especially those who see many heirloomed items everywhere, then realise how long it takes to 31 lvl to heirloom your first thing and want to quit because it IS new players unfriendly mod atm.)

[IceManX]

plz dont wipe the database.
Not a good idea. Many people will loose money, invested time and so on.

For me a databas wipe would mean, quit the game. I have no ambition to do everything again and to farm and grind gold and money.

Perhaps it would be good to reset the character Skillpoints and so on. That with a new patch ppl can respec and use their new build, or use their old one.

[Waylit]

We shouldn't reset, we should be able to reSPEC, like after the last major game-changing patch...

[Heroin]

We shouldn't reset, we should be able to reSPEC, like after the last major game-changing patch...

I do agree with this. It doesn't seem like very much to ask to be able to fix builds that no longer work because of the patch. For instance, level 30 throwers with 75 wpf, where 75 wpf isn't enough for throwing any more.

[Kafein]

But if you make a reset make it permanent. No more retiring. No more heirloomed items. Set level cap to 30.
THAT would definately end alot of whining and it would be very fair as "grinders" won't have any advantage.
After that you can reset how much you want as people won't lose anything (given the level is capped to 30).

That is one of the things that could actually make me quit. Turning cRPG into Native+

[Gondemar]

I keep on thinking (and now more than before because the code is done already), than giving not "gen-1" but "gen" number of heirlooms might be the one thing that would help new players stay and motivate them.

[Leesin]

chadz has successfully trolled everyone yet again.

Or maybe he hasn't, but what I think he's trying to get at is, it could be worst, so stop whining, whoever is whining.

[zakker]

in my opinion
lvl reset not a big deal
item reset not a big deal
gold reset not a big deal
heirloom reset not a big deal
generation reset oh god it takes me out of the mod and bad mood for a day

[Spleen]

wow, what a necro

[Jarlek]

Wtf happened to my necro post?

[Molly]

This is actually the first time I see this thread 

Complete wipe please, with all the heirlooms. Just let us keep the generations for a bit more experience