Please help..

[Leshma]

They hurt my kd, brah.

[Grumbs]

Guess how much damage(percentage) is done by ranged on EU1!

How many times are people killed from the stagger alone?

Should damage alone define the strength of a class?

And you say other people are campaigning for their class. To me hardly any ranged hits are legit damage in a melee centric game, with the ranged mechanics being what they are (and it being so easy to hyrbid with xbows expecially)

[Macropus]

Should damage alone define the strength of a class?

Yes it should.
It's not exact definition, but it's quite accurate comparing with "archers shot me to death twise for last two rounds" and other self-experience-based statements.
Not only arrows cause stagger, a lot of people get staggered in melee which causes their death, so it's a mutual effect.

[Grumbs]

You can't plan for a ranged stagger, it will come from nowhere. If I get staggered in melee its because I didn't block correctly or I let someone sneak up on me

Applying damage from range is the biggest tactical advantage you can get in cRPG, and you get it without having to engage players in PVP. The damage you get should be a reflection of some input you made into the game, some mistake an opponent made or from some decent teamwork. Not that you spawned with x class and sat on y hill and left clicked. That shouldn't be rewarded with any damage

[Prpavi]

Guess how much damage(percentage) is done by ranged on EU1!

by this scentence we can also guess who hasnt played the mod in god knows how long.

[Paul]

Oh, I've played quite a lot recently. I even started a horse thrower now that ranged speed bonus is finally fixed. Ranged damage is about 20% btw, so TWICE as much as the average estimates in this thread. I guess it's time for another nerf then.

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

haha and leshma wanted to get rid of EU4 because of "assholes" and the likes! Guess they either all moved to EU1 an-..... oh wait EU1 always has been full of assholes. My bad

But seriously Panos this is very very old news, Archers swarming EU1 as well as cav very very old news. Perhaps post some screens of a time when EU1 is not overflowing with cav or ranged! I think that would shock and interest people more then this. 

[Shemaforash]

Buff archers pls

[Leshma]

Currently there's 40 players on EU1 (it's prime time). I guess people got fed with constant changes of game mechanics or ranged. Some of those two things are definitely the reason.

Edit: It's strategus...

[Rumblood]

and in case someone didnt notice..3 xbows 1 arhcer..

archer vs archer

No you bastards, Xbows are xbows. Archers are archers. They are two separate styles of play with their own individual advantages and disadvantages.

Quit talking about 3 xbows vs 1 archer and then saying "Nerf Archers".

You may as well show a Horse Thrower running around at the end of a round vs a Lancer and then say "Nerf Cavalry". 

[BlueKnight]

Or..Add PD to xbows.

18 str requirement for arbalest and free respec to errybody!

Imho great damage should be followed by great strength

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no pd to xbows

[XyNox]

WHAT ? ARCHERS ON EU1 SURVIVING TILL END OF ROUND ??? PREPOSTEROUS !!!

[Alexander_TheGreat_]

how i want to feel

   or wanna feel

how i feel it....

reality on eu1...

i think that all the characters and actors in the movies i've sended, they've all played cRPG before...and they all left to get a life and a job....making movies.

Cheers

[Gravoth_iii]

Oh, I've played quite a lot recently. I even started a horse thrower now that ranged speed bonus is finally fixed. Ranged damage is about 20% btw, so TWICE as much as the average estimates in this thread. I guess it's time for another nerf then.

Wait, so throwing speed bonus is fixed? sweet, buffs for my HT! 

On topic: get a shield.

[Grumpy_Nic]

18 str requirement for arbalest and free respec to errybody!

Imho great damage should be followed by great strength

So you probably think that a handgun has 20 kilos?

I wouldnt mind if xbows require something additional for use. Add a wpf minimum for each xbow would probably be the easiest part and you wouldnt have to worry that xbows get a bonus from it.

If you add PD there would have to be some kind of benefit for it. 14% damage increase per point would be wonderfull, I'd run around with 2 light xbows, 2 stacks of bolts and all wpf in xbow. If you dont want that, in order to make it somehow "realistic" PD could determine how fast you can reload the xbow, but that would result in very fast arbalests.
I'm not sure you would want that either. After all, you would have to post new QQ topics.