TO THE DEVS TEAM !!

[matt2507]

A bow you can hit with? Lol
Hit a guy wearing plate armour with that bow and it's destroyed, also what's up with the bowstring mate?
A bow would never survive that and it would do less damage than a fuckin wooden stick.

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Make a parade with this is not realistic to, but that is conserved for the gameplay.

So why not with a bow ?


And I know for the rope, but I can not rotate the bow 

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

Of course, somebody says something that actually makes sense but since it's about archery people bitch about it saying archery is OP already. Archers suffer the bullshit 300 percent point penalty in their hits making them impossible to get valor. People like Panos call them out and try to make them look wrong for absolutely no reason. If you people would actually try to play as an archer you'd think twice about your mindless rants simply stating "Nerf Archery waaaaaaaaaaaa".

Kiting and 2 hitting people in plate armour is not bullshit? let me guess lolstabbing and stabbing someone whos not even a foot away with a 12foot pike is also not bullshit! 

There's a difference between bullshit and just stupid things.

[Elindor]

Im ok with letting archers use their bow as a weapon.

Short bow = 10 blunt swing
Horn bow = 12 blunt swing
Long bow = 14 blunt swing

All less than practice longsword or staff 

Something like that....would mostly be just for interrupting people and parrying.

[Blackbow]

Kiting and 2 hitting people in plate armour is not bullshit?

if we dont talk about hs, 2 hiting a guy in plate is impossible for an archer
i think u got 2 bolt not arrows or you were lvl 10

[matt2507]

Im ok with letting archers use their bow as a weapon.

Short bow = 10 blunt swing
Horn bow = 12 blunt swing
Long bow = 14 blunt swing

All less than practice longsword or staff 

Something like that....would mostly be just for interrupting people and parrying.

This is the goal !

In the video, I need 6 shots to kill the bot.
The swing damage was 20 blunt, but this value is very simple to adjust.

And speed, it is 97, but with the current bows weight, I think it would be greatly reduced.

[Elindor]

I think speed would be around 88-92 or so.

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

if we dont talk about hs, 2 hiting a guy in plate is impossible for an archer
i think u got 2 bolt not arrows or you were lvl 10

No, They are arrows and no I was not level 10 I was level 30, and the reason it took 2 arrows is because of the MW bodkins every archer seems to own along with a MW rusbow easymodebow.

[Joker86]

It's always the same "discussion".

And I put the quotation marks there consciously. Because posting pictures of crying babies in a discussion doesn't help anything, and finally, if you don't have to say something nice, don't say anything at all.

The OP is not wrong at all, archery is heavily underpowered right now. No doubt in that. I just want to throw in a few points I have to make, and I try to make it as short as possible.

1. If you like archery or not is completely irrelevant. It's a part of the game and should always be, it's a viable choice and should be respected.

2. Comparing issues with one class to existing issues with another class and referring to those other issues being still existant as reason to not fix the problems is bullshit. You can't say "Archers are a problem, but as 2hd/cavalry/whatever are as well, we shouldn't do anything about it.". With this argumentation we could stop researching a cure for AIDS, because we also have problems with cancer.

3. Buffing or nerfing the stats of archers won't help anything. Changing values is tweaking the balance, but the problem are the mechanics in the game. The issue with archery origins from the fact that archers and infantry have both different styles to fight, and while both classes try to force their style of fighting on the other class, you try tweaking the damage and accuracy of archers, which doesn't change anything on the mechanics. Nerfing the archers only ruins archery for the players who chose to fight over range, but doesn't help the others at all, because they still get shot, they still get stunned, they still can't climb up an archer mountain.

4. Implement conquest mode and carefully designed maps and autobalance which also takes classes into consideration.

5. Buff armour.

[TheAppleSauceMan]

No, They are arrows and no I was not level 10 I was level 30, and the reason it took 2 arrows is because of the MW bodkins every archer seems to own along with a MW rusbow easymodebow.

I roll with 7 IF and Heraldic Mail with Tabard, and Red Wisby Gauntlets. So, much less body armor then plate, and I have never been two shot by anyone's arrows (minus headshots) and I get peppered with arrows quite often. I think you are exaggerating..

[TheAppleSauceMan]

Of course, somebody says something that actually makes sense but since it's about archery people bitch about it saying archery is OP already. Archers suffer the bullshit 300 percent point penalty in their hits making them impossible to get valor. People like Panos call them out and try to make them look wrong for absolutely no reason. If you people would actually try to play as an archer you'd think twice about your mindless rants simply stating "Nerf Archery waaaaaaaaaaaa".

I'd have to agree with the trying it before whining about it. I did a STF archer not too long ago, played a few rounds and respec'd. God, it was awful. I always see these well-known archers pulling crazy shit off and think oh wow that looks easy, try it yourself. It's not, these are just people who have played it long enough to get extremely good at that class, just like people who are extremely good at melee or cav.

EDIT: Sorry for double post.

[CrazyCracka420]

It's always the same "discussion".

And I put the quotation marks there consciously. Because posting pictures of crying babies in a discussion doesn't help anything, and finally, if you don't have to say something nice, don't say anything at all.

The OP is not wrong at all, archery is heavily underpowered right now. No doubt in that. I just want to throw in a few points I have to make, and I try to make it as short as possible.

1. If you like archery or not is completely irrelevant. It's a part of the game and should always be, it's a viable choice and should be respected.

2. Comparing issues with one class to existing issues with another class and referring to those other issues being still existant as reason to not fix the problems is bullshit. You can't say "Archers are a problem, but as 2hd/cavalry/whatever are as well, we shouldn't do anything about it.". With this argumentation we could stop researching a cure for AIDS, because we also have problems with cancer.

3. Buffing or nerfing the stats of archers won't help anything. Changing values is tweaking the balance, but the problem are the mechanics in the game. The issue with archery origins from the fact that archers and infantry have both different styles to fight, and while both classes try to force their style of fighting on the other class, you try tweaking the damage and accuracy of archers, which doesn't change anything on the mechanics. Nerfing the archers only ruins archery for the players who chose to fight over range, but doesn't help the others at all, because they still get shot, they still get stunned, they still can't climb up an archer mountain.

4. Implement conquest mode and carefully designed maps and autobalance which also takes classes into consideration.

5. Buff armour.

This 100 times

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

I roll with 7 IF and Heraldic Mail with Tabard, and Red Wisby Gauntlets. So, much less body armor then plate, and I have never been two shot by anyone's arrows (minus headshots) and I get peppered with arrows quite often. I think you are exaggerating..

Then its the IF that is saving you, I do not put points into because I cant afford to. And I'm not exaggerating because I was wearing Lordly Katafraktoi Armor, with Hourglass Gauntlets so 54 + 8 gives me 62 body armor and I still got 2 hit.

[Blackbow]

i agree with joker buff armor or decreasse projectile damage but do something !!!

and fix ghost arrows

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

i agree with joker buff armor or decreasse projectile damage but do something !!!

and fix ghost arrows

Now this I can agree with!

[Angantyr]

Only on the subject of amount of ranged on the servers:

Taken just now on EU1, out of a 14 player team:

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