Increase Riding Requirements for most Horses

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

Only problem with cav that I can see is that the destrier is slightly OP. It's an armoured horse, without the armour. But better.

True, but can't be worse then a fairy horse, or as I also refer to them as "arabian poledancers." 

[Artyem]

I actually agree with this, heavy armored war horses weren't cheap or easy to ride and even if you aren't going for Realism, I highly doubt a race horse should take more training to ride than a fucking war horse.

Riding can easily be added on to a build (21/15 is pretty simple for that) allowing for a cataphract with 7 PS.  Grab your MW DGS and your MW heavy lance / lance and you're set.

[Tigero]

My suggestion is: Make riding skill require 2 agi per level, then raise horse difficulties in a proper way, then you need more points to spend on riding to become a dedicated cavarly, and still some dedication to become a hybrid.

[Smoothrich]

Soo you want to make lances 3 slots? I'm a pure polearm and nearly all my weapons (apart from really low tier ones like the staff) are two slots so you want to FORCE me to respec and go inf or 1h lancer cav? No offense but that is so unbelievably stupid! this is very very clearly an NA problem and making lances 3 slots is not the solution to anything at all. I really really hope that no dev listens to this because this is beyond crazy. 

then don't spawn on a horse if you want to use a top tier polearm as infantry.  or you can bring a quarter staff or shortened spear as a 1 slot backup polearm.  or you can try war spear or hafted blade cav (its fun).

this is the same penalty archers and arbalesters have and they are much weaker classes than lance cav.  you think its stupid because you are using an OP class with an OP build and don't want it nerfed.  its not an NA or EU problem, its just balancing.

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

then don't spawn on a horse if you want to use a top tier polearm as infantry.  or you can bring a quarter staff or shortened spear as a 1 slot backup polearm.  or you can try war spear or hafted blade cav (its fun).

this is the same penalty archers and arbalesters have and they are much weaker classes than cav.  you think its stupid because you are using an OP class with an OP build and don't want it nerfed.  its not an NA or EU problem, its just balancing.

Polearms OP? LOL you're funny  So I'm in the wrong for going a pure build? nice real nice. Either way I don't care because I really hope this wont be added and will just be ignored like all the other cav nerf threads out there.

[Smoothrich]

Polearms OP? LOL you're funny  So I'm in the wrong for going a pure build? nice real nice. Either way I don't care because I really hope this wont be added and will just be ignored like all the other cav nerf threads out there.

You aren't a pure build.  You're lancer cav/infantry hybrid.  You get to spawn on a horse with the best lance and the best polearm of your choice every round with a barely gimped statwise build with two lives and exceptionally high impact on winning a round due to the nature of cavalry.

Most comparable hybrids to versatility are the ranged/melee classes.  This is why the 1 slot regular crossbow is OP as well, you can bring top-tier infantry weapons for hardly any skill points or drawback and the crossbow has excellent stats.

2 slot ranged weapons + ammo slot (3 slots) with 1 slot melee weapon makes sense, but is underpowered in comparison.  Especially with the PD and WM requirement of archery, so they suffer from slots and skill points.  The lances offer WAY more killing power for 2 slots then these ranged classes get with 3 slots at the cost of riding skill only.

[BADPLAYER_old2]

No offense but that is so unbelievably stupid! this is very very clearly an NA problem

Because all the EU cavalry are bad compared to the majority of them on NA (mostly).

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

Best lance? I use the heavy lance and since that got Nerfed its not the best lance anymore. Second if I get dehorsed near a group of people I'm pretty much dead before I stand, also I don't spawn and play as my horse then respawn as my character on the spot (I know you mean I can just get up and carry on playing but read above and you will see my point.) Plus cav are not made for head on fights with infantry on cRPG (atleast not against 2handers) cav are a support class just like hoplites and archers, They have their pluses and minuses just like all classes.

At the end of the day this is a problem NA players are having not EU so I can't really debate about it as I don't play on NA and even if I did I have a different mentality and play style then NA players. So I'm going to leave this up to the NA cav players to decide/debate on it.

Because all the EU cavalry are bad compared to the majority of them on NA (mostly).

Until you play on a sever where you and EU cav have equal ping you cannot claim that.

[BADPLAYER_old2]

Until you play on a sever where you and EU cav have equal ping you cannot claim that.

lmao

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

lmao

Let me guess you also have the biggest dicks, guns, nukes, brains penuts and everything else you can think of. I really can't see how people can/will take you serious when you just come across as some classic egotastic American. 

[Malaclypse]

Let me guess you also have the biggest dicks, guns, nukes, brains penuts and everything else you can think of. I really can't see how people can/will take you serious when you just come across as some classic egotastic American. 

BADPLAYER is EU, he just plays NA primarily (with the high ping that comes with that).

[Torben]

Let me guess you also have the biggest dicks, guns, nukes, brains penuts and everything else you can think of. I really can't see how people can/will take you serious when you just come across as some classic egotastic American. 

he is referring to a gk tournament NAs won despite their ping.  it was close enough to say that good cav= good cav,  but still win is win and the epeen rights go to them ; )

also bad is eu playing on NA

[Hunter_the_Honourable]

Well he acts like his from NA, and I never see him on EU servers (although I hardly play EU1)

[BADPLAYER_old2]

I don't play on EU much but the times I do I notice the standard of cavalry is WAY worse, for the best players and for just the average cav player. Whenever I play cavalry in EU strategus battles too the only person who comes close to me as cavalry DRZ_Naduril and i'm not even very good at cavalry anymore.

EU has better ranged NA has better cavalry, it is known- but just because your cavalry doesn't utilize the best and most OP cav builds doesn't mean they don't deserve to be nerfed.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

NA had way better cav when I played primarely over there for a month as a horsethrower, but their archers (all other ranged was better on NA though) were so hilariously bad that I could beat most of them at range with my throwing lances, guys like Aderyn who are among thier best are barely average in EU.