Current Archery Nerfs

[Apollo]

Is that athletics nerf to wpf still present within the game, or did they take it out when they made arrows heavier?

[GuiKa]

They took it out and made arrows heavier.

[Adalwulf]

PD wpf loss formula is changed as well. Higher PD should now be more viable.

Hense why I have 0 atheletics now and all in PD and PS....archery...the 1 class that always changes....

[GuiKa]

PD wpf loss formula is changed as well. Higher PD should now be more viable.

Really ? I always loved the idea of strength based archers who act like some sort of immobile artillery with high range, not the actual c-rpg style which relay on kitting and close shooting.

Is something like 27/12 viable now ?

9 PD
6 PS
4 ATH
4 WM
138 archery

With longbow/bodkin  and  a 0 slot hammer.

I want to shoot from long range (high missile speed) and rely more on good battle positioning than the ability to kite my enemies.
The 6 PS is mainly to pick up a 2h somewhere on the battlefield and kill foes with it when someone's coming or you're out of ammos. You don't really need wpf to melee, 0 is enough for everything.

[agweber]

This is how much WPF you lose now per Power Draw.
9 PD = 105.3
10 PD = 111.0
11 PD = 113.5
12 PD = 111.3
13 PD = 102.6

Is something like 27/12 viable now ?
9 PD
138 archery

Maxed archery with 9 PD = 33 wpf. Doesn't seem very fixed.

Minimax higher PD builds, for example (These have all points into stats, max PD, max WM, and about 3 or 4 remaining skill points.
39/3 with 13 PD and 1 WM is going to be capable of 116 - 102.6 = 13 wpf.
36/6 with 12 PD and 2 WM is going to be capable of 123 - 111.3 = 12 wpf.
33/9 with 11 PD and 3 WM is going to be capable of 130 - 113.5 = 16 wpf.
30/12 with 10 PD and 4 WM is going to be capable of 138 - 111 = 27 wpf.
27/15 with 9 PD and 5 WM is going to be capable of 146 - 105.3 = 41 wpf.

Are we just aiming on  being above 0 here?

Edit: Bonus lvl 31 build, 42/3 with 14 PD and 0 WM (NO other skills) with 113 - 84.8 = 28 wpf

[Dezilagel]

Lv 34

Strength: 45
Agility: 3
Hit points: 80
Skills to attributes: 18

Athletics: 1
Power Draw: 15
Weapon Master: 1

Archery: 126

I-WIN build 

[Adamar]

Lv 34

Strength: 45
Agility: 3
Hit points: 80
Skills to attributes: 18

Athletics: 1
Power Draw: 15
Weapon Master: 1

Archery: 126

I-WIN build 

If you're planning to only hit stuff at short range you'd be better with a polearm or something.

[Belatu]

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[Dezilagel]

If you're planning to only hit stuff at short range you'd be better with a polearm or something.

Look at the wpf reduction curve. That build will get you way more wpf than most comparable str archer builds.

[Froto_the_Loc]

Lv 34

Strength: 45
Agility: 3
Hit points: 80
Skills to attributes: 18

Athletics: 1
Power Draw: 15
Weapon Master: 1

Archery: 126

I-WIN build 

What the hell? 15 powerdraw? Who thought this was a good idea?!

[ObiWanKejoshi]

Unless this restriction has been removed when i wasn't looking, there is currently no bow that can use more than 10 PD (difficulty + 4)

[Kafein]

Unless this restriction has been removed when i wasn't looking, there is currently no bow that can use more than 10 PD (difficulty + 4)

All PD over the bow's limit would still count to decrease the wpf penalty.

A level 34 archery build with PD 6 or 7 would have a much better battlefield value anyway.

[agweber]

PD 4 over bow requirement is not calculated. So 15 PD is not really viable.

Way to say exactly the same thing as 2 posts above yours.

Are we sure this is still in with the since the recent kiting nerfs?

[Boss_Awesome]

PD 4 over bow requirement is not calculated. So 15 PD is not really viable.

The +4 power draw limitation related to bow requirement is only for damage done, not for power draw WPF reduction, so a 15 PD build is actually pretty viable.  Much much better than any other strength archery build. 

[agweber]

The +4 power draw limitation related to bow requirement is only for damage done, not for power draw WPF reduction, so a 15 PD build is actually pretty viable.  Much much better than any other strength archery build.

So instead of losing the ~1-2% damage and accuracy bonus from stacked WPF, you lose the 14% damage per level over +4. Still doesn't seem worth it in the slightest. Tincan siege arrows are pretty much not going to be able to happen. I still think archery is over-nerfed and extremely unvariable.