Cataphract horse vs Large Warhorse vs War Horse balance

[Ujin]

This has been brought up before


Cataphract Horse
hit points: 120
body armor: 47
difficulty: 5
speed: 38
maneuver: 40
charge: 38
Price : 44.711

War Horse

hit points: 120
body armor: 40
difficulty: 5
speed: 41
maneuver: 41
charge: 36
Price : 33.248

Large Warhorse
hit points: 130
body armor: 43
difficulty: 5
speed: 40
maneuver: 41
charge: 36

Price: 35.196

So, for roughly 10k higher price, cataphract is inferior to large warhorse in speed, manouver, hit points and only has 2 more charge (nothing drastic) and 4 more body armor. Makes picking a cataphract over most of the other heavy horses because of it's stats (and not because of the style) a rather irrational choice.

Now i won't lie , i'm lobbying for a horse i myself am using. But it's a justified request, the stats are way off.
I suggest either improving cata's armor up to 50-52 (next horse,charger, has 58. compare this jump of stats to large warhorse vs cata) OR improving (+1) it's manouverability and speed OR a minor buff to stats + a slightly reduced price.

Either way , some changes should be made simply because as it is now, the balance between this 3 horses is non-existent.

[Razzer]

hate cav

[Miwiw]

dont nerf the warhorses tho, rather give the cata a small buff as it already got high upkeep costs.

[Gurnisson]

There's a reason I have used a champ war horse and a champ large warhorse and never a champ cata. Cata is awful for the increased price. A small buff might be good for balance.

Ujin, you'll find both those horses +3 in the armory if there's no cata buff

[Torben]

as a courser rider,  I wholeheartedly agree.  imo,  we are missing an armored arabian warhorse,  would be nice to fill that niche with the cata

[Royans]

Indeed, would be fair, to give a small buff to that poor cataphract! Well no one is using it nowadays, most of ppl use the warhorse, which is in my opinion one of the best heavy horse actualy... can even outspeed some light cav

[oprah_winfrey]

One thing that isn't listed on the stats is the horse model. The cata is lower to the ground, and thus better for 1h/2h cav. Though I agree it should get a small buff.

[Leshma]

As proud owner of the most beautiful horse in whole Calradia, I fully support this.

In my opinion, buff isn't necessary. Just lower the price by 30%.

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

Also what's the deal with Destriers doing so much bump damage when armoured horses don't do that much more, nerf destrier bump damage and buff armoured horse bump.

[Overdriven]

Cataphract horse has more style. If you want to look good and can't afford a Mamluk horse then the Cata is a good one to go for. A buff would be nice.

[Leshma]

Also what's the deal with Destriers doing so much bump damage when armoured horses don't do that much more, nerf destrier bump damage and buff armoured horse bump.

Speed rating. Combined with high charge damage, it makes destrier more deadly at full speed than many armored horses.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

The extra charge isn't even that big a deal, due to the armored horses being so slow they're actually pretty bad, a destrier or maybe the warhorse is the best horse for bump damage due to the speed.

[Torben]

The extra charge isn't even that big a deal, due to the armored horses being so slow they're actually pretty bad, a destrier or maybe the warhorse is the best horse for bump damage due to the speed.

A well informed statement by a true gentleman.

[Leshma]

One thing that isn't listed on the stats is the horse model. The cata is lower to the ground, and thus better for 1h/2h cav. Though I agree it should get a small buff.

Correct, but that's not all.

Seems to me that bump area is bigger than horse models which means that super huge horses have huge advantage when it comes to bumping. Especially Large Warhorse. Extremely hard to avoid, if it doesn't knock you over it will interrupt your attack/block for example.

Almost a year ago I've started telling people that Large Warhorse has by far, the best stats in mod. Almost twelve months later I see rest of this community realising that fact. People are slow, but sooner than later they find out how things work.

[BADPLAYER_old2]

Nerf the warhorses, the Cataphract doesn't need a buff it is really good already just the warhorses are better and OP(Used a cataphract for 11~ gens).