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Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« on: December 19, 2012, 01:47:48 am »
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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2012, 01:59:01 am »
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How about no?
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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2012, 02:06:42 am »
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I propose that the following weapon thrusts be re-designated as "cut"

Scythe, Boar Spear, Shortened Spear, Fauchard, Bamboo Spear, Great Lance, Spear, Light Lance, Long Voulge, Hafted Blade, Lance, Pike, Long Spear, Red Tassel Spear, War Spear, Long Bardiche, Double Sided Lance, Ashwood Pike, Long Hafted Blade, Partisan, Heavy Lance, English Bill, Swiss Halberd, Glaive & Great Long Bardiche

You cant be serious? The polearms without red would be okay and realistic ... but more than the half ... just .... NO!
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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 02:16:29 am »
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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2012, 02:43:26 am »
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You cant be serious? The polearms without red would be okay and realistic ... but more than the half ... just .... NO!

I say, those you kept black + the glaive would make sense.

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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2012, 02:46:41 am »
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Keep in mind that cut stabs do not rear horses. Also, no.

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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2012, 02:57:10 am »
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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2012, 06:11:12 am »
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Most spear & pike  pole arms have miserable  3-direction swing attacks damage, and you want to render the remaining direction into cut?

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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2012, 06:59:08 am »
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I propose that the following weapon thrusts be re-designated as "cut"
Boar Spear, Shortened Spear, Bamboo Spear, Great Lance, Spear, Light Lance, Lance, Pike, Long Spear, Red Tassel Spear, War Spear, Double Sided Lance, Ashwood Pike, Heavy Lance, English Bill, Swiss Halberd, Glaive
These look pretty damn pointy to me.
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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2012, 01:24:50 pm »
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 ...that spike looks pretty penetrating to me...
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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2012, 01:34:35 pm »
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Wait.. what?! Can kind of see where you are going though but changing it to cut would probably make them a lot worse, and afaik they dont need nerfs..
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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2012, 03:16:25 pm »
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These look pretty damn pointy to me.

And Arrows, Barbed Arrows and Tatar Arrows look pretty pointy to me so your point is? (no pun intended :D)

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 ...that spike looks pretty penetrating to me...

Looks pretty useless to me.  Neither spike is in line with the haft and so getting any kind of penetration from them would be extremely difficult.  I see what you mean though and maybe Fauchard should remain pierce.

Wait.. what?! Can kind of see where you are going though but changing it to cut would probably make them a lot worse, and afaik they dont need nerfs..

Its not about needing nerfs, its about diversity of weapons and balance.  Right now all the thrusting polearms are pretty much the same except for length and damage and for me that's boring.  Creating some diversity would be good imo as then we'd have cheaper thrusting polearms for use against peasants/ninjas and the more expensive polearms for use against armour.

Keep in mind that cut stabs do not rear horses. Also, no.

This I didn't know and if true then the idea isn't possible :(

Most spear & pike  pole arms have miserable  3-direction swing attacks damage, and you want to render the remaining direction into cut?

Just looked and the shorter spears have stupidly low swing damage and should be buffed anyway regardless of this idea.  Quarter Staff = 19 Blunt Damage, Boar Spear = only 16 Blunt Damage despite being much heavier and slightly longer.  Why swing damage isn't at least roughly proportional to weight I have no idea - but that is another topic.


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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2012, 03:20:04 pm »
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And Arrows, Barbed Arrows and Tatar Arrows look pretty pointy to me so your point is? (no pun intended :D)



Point is they were nerfed due to intense QQ. SO go round up ALL 2handers and archers, convince them all your right, then maybe you have enough QQ power to get an almost entire weapon class nerfed.
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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2012, 03:21:53 pm »
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Its not about needing nerfs, its about diversity of weapons and balance.  Right now all the thrusting polearms are pretty much the same except for length and damage and for me that's boring.  Creating some diversity would be good imo as then we'd have cheaper thrusting polearms for use against peasants/ninjas and the more expensive polearms for use against armour.

Diversity? Make all lances cut creates diversity? All longer support weapons cut? Making all hoplite weapons cut weapons does as well? If you wanted diversity you would suggest maybe one weapon of each type having a high cut damage instead of pierce, not all in the same catagory...

Also, you suggested to change Partisan which has a high cut thrust already.
I voted Gurnisson cause of his fucking bendy pike, I swear noone can roflcopter stab like he can.

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Re: Should some polearms be "cut" rather than "pierce"?
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2012, 03:43:14 pm »
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Also, you suggested to change Partisan which has a high cut thrust already.

Doesn't this just support my argument?

As for the rest is the Long Awlpike not a reasonably long support weapon?

Won't lances being high cut damage finally solve the Lancer QQing about peasants surviving lance hits when tincans get one hit?

Do the Military and Battle Forks not count as piercing Hoplite Weapons?  (This one is a genuine question as i don't know if they are un-useable with Shields like the Awlpike)

The point here is not to arbitrarily pick some weapons to change, this is how item balance has worked for too long imo and it just leads to mass lobbying, QQing for change and endless whine.  Changes should be made for specific reasons and once made the changes should be applied to all items of a similar design.