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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #945 on: June 10, 2013, 05:48:43 pm »
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If looking from a strategic PoV , i think one must admit , that Tywin is the best player in that game. He keeps all the others playing themselfes out and barely does a wrong turn himself. Also, all others are kinda restricting themselfes with the things "they are fighting for" ... honor, a god, money, revenge and such ... while Tywin keeps the strings of power tight in his hand.
Playing out the Starks now was quite a victory for him, since they where close to ally with .... the other guys there , which would have made them pretty dangerous.

edit:Joffrey is just the guy on the throne.. his unpredictable character isnt even a bad thing imo. Since Tywin also can controle him really well  :wink: (some of the best laughs for me  :mrgreen:)
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #946 on: June 10, 2013, 05:50:33 pm »
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Yes, of course the spoiled little brat part justifies some things but unlike other "evil" characters he never does anything good. Never. Not even once, and that's stereotypical (it also lets you think that there is one perspective in the storytelling that matters more than others). Even before becoming King he is a total douche. Even people like Cersei have a side story that kinda works.
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #947 on: June 10, 2013, 05:57:37 pm »
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #948 on: June 10, 2013, 06:08:34 pm »
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Robb doesn't claim anything but the North iirc, which makes him an independentist dipshit no better than Stromcloaks or something.
Well it is pretty clearly described that the Northerners are very different from the Southerners and they are not that connected with what goes on in Kingslanding or anything south of the Neck really. Them trying to go independent makes very much sense in my opinion, as the only reason they weren't were OP dragons.

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« Reply #949 on: June 10, 2013, 06:31:11 pm »
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It was quite the laughable scene when Joffrey asked more stupid questions from Tywin from his bigass chair. And than Tywin just walked closer to him and he had that nervous look and started gulping like he was afraid his grandpa is gonna tear him a new one. I find it rather okay that he is a total douche all the time nonstop. It makes sense. He has always been rich, always gotten everything he wanted, doesnt know anything about the life outside, thinks that the title king means supreme god of everything. If you also got all that nonstop your entire life you would be the same. The totally douchebag part I get. But I find it acctually stereotypical that he is also stupid, unable to think ahead, easly manipulated and a complete coward all at the same time. I mean its like this character was written to have absolutely every bad nature a human could possibly have to make sure we would hate him enough. Because BY GOD if we didnt.....

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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #950 on: June 10, 2013, 07:09:05 pm »
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Just watched episode 10. When Bran and his companions went north of the wall... i've never laughed so much in my entire life. 'I really do' and then they pulled him out on his wagon ^^

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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #951 on: June 10, 2013, 07:54:57 pm »
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Joffrey is my favourite character!

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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #952 on: June 10, 2013, 08:58:43 pm »
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Oops, my bad. Edited it out.

Just watched episode 10. When Bran and his companions went north of the wall... i've never laughed so much in my entire life. 'I really do' and then they pulled him out on his wagon ^^

The Bran chapters throughout book 2 and the first part of book 3 were probably the worst.

Well it is pretty clearly described that the Northerners are very different from the Southerners and they are not that connected with what goes on in Kingslanding or anything south of the Neck really. Them trying to go independent makes very much sense in my opinion, as the only reason they weren't were OP dragons.

By that logic each square inch of westeros should be independant :s

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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #953 on: June 10, 2013, 09:50:06 pm »
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I don't think that's a weakness. His 'evilness' is still very human. He's a kid who has been handed power on a plate and has turned into a terraway brat with no one to control him until Tywin turns up. Seems pretty normal. His 'evil' fantasy's (abusing the whores) are the kind of thing that happens out in the real world all the time. So he comes across as very real to me.

How is he normal? He's literally a sociopath. Ok, I guess sociopaths exist in RL, so it's...normal? I think it's hinted at very strongly in the books that Joffrey didn't just "turn" into a sadistic little cunt. Remember the story about the cat and it's litter of kittens, and why Robert punched him in the face? Torturing small, harmless mammals as a kid (with no realization you are doing anything wrong) is a pretty clear sign of being a friggin psychopath. No one needs to be taught to feel empathy on that level, it comes naturally.
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #954 on: June 10, 2013, 09:58:52 pm »
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If Twyin was so good at politics, you'd think he would have a proper heir secured. Instead he originally failed arranging marriages for Jaime and Cersei (one to Rhaegar, I forget who Jaime was supposed to get), horrifically abused his third child Tyrion who could've been an excellent heir, got outmaneuevered by the Mad King (who permatrolled Tywin) in having his oldest child appointed to the KG, and also managed to never remarry after his wife (who was probably raped repeatedly by Aeron and this possibly gave birth to Tyrion) instead wallowing in depression and having no more kids.

Also the idea that he was such a good hand who kept the realm stable is pretty funny, considering during his rule the entire kingdom collapsed into civil war and his royalist side got destroyed. His gruesome slaughter of the Dornish royals during the sack of King's Landing led to them hating Lannisters permanently. Tyrells are already usurping all the domestic power in the capital on the TV series even. Now he just massacred the high lords of the North, further undermining his respect and crediblity for him and the Lannister name for generations to come. This is just being an idiot obsessed with short-term goals, with long term political consequences that will ruin their house.

Commander wise, he lost a battle to fucking Edmure Tully, the stupidest most inept person in the series (in the books, in the TV show the Mountain was leading the battle) His campaign in both versions against the North was just him getting trounced every time.

All he has is a lot of money and a lack of ethics. He isn't very intelligent, and
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #955 on: June 10, 2013, 10:09:26 pm »
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How is he normal? He's literally a sociopath. Ok, I guess sociopaths exist in RL, so it's...normal? I think it's hinted at very strongly in the books that Joffrey didn't just "turn" into a sadistic little cunt. Remember the story about the cat and it's litter of kittens, and why Robert punched him in the face? Torturing small, harmless mammals as a kid (with no realization you are doing anything wrong) is a pretty clear sign of being a friggin psychopath. No one needs to be taught to feel empathy on that level, it comes naturally.

He's based in reality, that's what I meant. Kafein said 'He has no motivation but evil itself, which makes him quite ridiculous and one of the weakest part of the books IMO.' I strongly disagreed with this as he doesn't seem at all ridiculous to me. There are plenty of people in the real world who, given too much power with no control, would do similar things as well. Heck just look at half the dictators that have ever been around. I remember that story, but some kids do shit like that. If they aren't taught what's right and what's wrong, which lets face it, Joffrey never has been because he's Cersei's precious little boy and Robert didn't give a crap, nor Jamie. There are some parts in the book where it's quite obvious Joffrey is just looking for attention, mostly from his father. And it's no real surprise he's as fucked up as he is.

Actually in that respect just need to look at the Mountain and the bastard. Both fucked up for the sake of being fucked up.

If Twyin was so good at politics, you'd think he would have a proper heir secured. Instead he originally failed arranging marriages for Jaime and Cersei (one to Rhaegar, I forget who Jaime was supposed to get), horrifically abused his third child Tyrion who could've been an excellent heir, got outmaneuevered by the Mad King (who permatrolled Tywin) in having his oldest child appointed to the KG, and also managed to never remarry after his wife (who was probably raped repeatedly by Aeron and this possibly gave birth to Tyrion) instead wallowing in depression and having no more kids.

Also the idea that he was such a good hand who kept the realm stable is pretty funny, considering during his rule the entire kingdom collapsed into civil war and his royalist side got destroyed. His gruesome slaughter of the Dornish royals during the sack of King's Landing led to them hating Lannisters permanently. Tyrells are already usurping all the domestic power in the capital on the TV series even. Now he just massacred the high lords of the North, further undermining his respect and crediblity for him and the Lannister name for generations to come. This is just being an idiot obsessed with short-term goals, with long term political consequences that will ruin their house.

Commander wise, he lost a battle to fucking Edmure Tully, the stupidest most inept person in the series (in the books, in the TV show the Mountain was leading the battle) His campaign in both versions against the North was just him getting trounced every time.

All he has is a lot of money and a lack of ethics. He isn't very intelligent, and
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He was indeed a dick bag to Tyrion but in all fairness his wife died in childbirth giving birth to him, and a dwarf in this time period would have had literally no social acceptance whatsoever as you later learn about the lower born dwarfs in the book. Even less than now. For a powerful family to give birth to one would have been considered really unlucky/bad in a whole variety of ways. So in all honesty it's no surprise Tywin has always despised him. Not that I'm justifying it, just putting it in context.

Regardless, the other stuff is indeed correct. But at the current point he is the head of the most powerful family in Westros and has just gained control of huge swathes and knocked off his biggest opponent with some power play. If that isn't demonstration enough of his abilities I don't know what is. Furthermore, he wasn't the hand when Westeros descended into civil war. He gave it up after disagreement with the mad king. The mad king had a string of 'yes' men hands who he subsequently decided to knock off one after the other before finally doing what he did to the Starks. All of this was whilst Tywin was sulking in Casterly Rock and we all know he happily sat there until it was clear who the winner would be (also a smart move on his part).

The last bit in your spoiler I'll agree with definitely. He did lack for long term planning on that respect but will say no more because of spoilers  :)
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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #956 on: June 10, 2013, 10:13:10 pm »
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Saddam Husseins oldest son was alot like Jeoffrey. Sick fuck. Read about him. Or watch the movie about him

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1270262/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uday_Hussein

So yeah, saying that the Jeoffrey is acting "unrealistic" is wrong.
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« Reply #957 on: June 10, 2013, 10:36:56 pm »
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I used to dislike the Hound alot before. But he's becoming more and more badass.

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Re: HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]
« Reply #958 on: June 10, 2013, 10:41:40 pm »
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It was pretty evident to me since the start that Sandor couldn't be a completely bad guy, for example when he talks to Sansa during the tournament.

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« Reply #959 on: June 10, 2013, 10:54:16 pm »
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Regardless, the other stuff is indeed correct. But at the current point he is the head of the most powerful family in Westros and has just gained control of huge swathes and knocked off his biggest opponent with some power play. If that isn't demonstration enough of his abilities I don't know what is.
Well, Tywin was born as the head of a family which literally sits on a mountain of gold, surely that starting advantage gets you in a rather easy position to navigate your way to power. The real bawses are Varys and Pinky who were born with nothing.

Anyone else finding the Hound pretty much the most intriguing character? I still haven't figured out what his deal is. Sometimes you see him comitting extremely cruel acts, only to then be a chivalrous bastard with a sense of righteousness. Pledged himself to the Lannisters, obedient as a dog to Joffrey, and then he gives a spot on analysis of the hypocrisy of knighthood. Dunno if it is bad writing but his character is surprising me all the time. I am curious what role he is going to play in the big picture, especially since Beric said that he should be left alive as apparently the god of light has a purpose for him.