HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]

[Overdriven]

Even if this is true. TV casuals like my self will always love the Starks and qq every time one of them dies. I don't know how the conflict is portrayed in the books but both Ned and Robb Stark are badasses and the lannisters twats in the TV-series.

RIP BED STARK

Well in the books you get a lot more of the emotional conflicts. Every character has their reason's for the things they do, bar maybe 1 or 2 who are wholly twisted. Cersei is an outright bitch for a good reason and she's protective of her children. Jaime did the things he did for all sorts of reasons as well as you glimpse with the bath house conversation with Brienne. Tywin is an amazing character, the best ruler Westeros has had for generations (he effectively ruled Westeros peacefully for 20 years as the hand of the King).

I think the difference with the Stark's is that they are more portrayed as one big happy family that get's torn apart following Ned's execution. They have been largely disconnected from events in the greater parts of Westeros since the rebellion. They ruled the North for Robert and lived happily for years with little interruption. In the South it's a different story though. The Lannister's were more central to court and therefore they had a lot more of the court conflicts working to break apart their family than the Stark's did, and this shows in the interactions between their family when you see Tywin, Tyrion and Cersei together. They are generally a lot more hostile to each other and those around them. But if they weren't, they would never have survived as one of the leading families.

[Leesin]

Haven't read the books and have avoided all spoilers possible so this was an amazing episode for me, shocking indeed but as gritty and real as a 'Medieval' world should be.

[BASNAK]

I have a spoiler question though:

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Is it true that Rob Stark's wife was in the plot and didn't die in the books?

[Anal Bleeding]

In studying literature there is a general precedent that the main heroes aren't supposed to be killed, because the reader bonds with them. this dates back to greek epics, etc.
however in Shakespearean drama there is this kind of thing.
usually the doomed characters have fatal flaws, which are hinted at earlier.
there is such a thing as too much tragedy, which leaves nowhere for the plot to go afterward except into a completely incoherent mess which is the rest of the story unfortunately.

[Overdriven]

I have a spoiler question though:

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Is it true that Rob Stark's wife was in the plot and didn't die in the books?

It is indeed true.

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She also wasn't pregnant.

[Anal Bleeding]

I have a spoiler question though:

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Is it true that Rob Stark's wife was in the plot and didn't die in the books?

the tv show replaced his wife with the swarthy girl from another continent.

[CrazyCracka420]

It is indeed true.

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She also wasn't pregnant.

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I don't recall Jeyne being part of the plot of the Red Wedding...she was in love with Robb as far as I could tell...and no, she wasn't pregnant in the books. 

In studying literature there is a general precedent that the main heroes aren't supposed to be killed, because the reader bonds with them. this dates back to greek epics, etc.
however in Shakespearean drama there is this kind of thing.
usually the doomed characters have fatal flaws, which are hinted at earlier.
there is such a thing as too much tragedy, which leaves nowhere for the plot to go afterward except into a completely incoherent mess which is the rest of the story unfortunately.

And I disagree 100%.  This is what makes me like the books so much, is that they seem very believable.  Human nature should be more prevalent in stories of this type, and that's what really kept me interested in them.  The fact that someone who "does the right thing" and gets killed because of someone else's ambitions seems very realistic to me.  And you know where the story goes?  It goes to the other people in the world who are looking to usurp the throne.  You think that in the middle ages when a lord dies that it's the end of the world?  Of course not, there's always going to be someone else to step up and try to take that castle or lands.  There doesn't need to be an "ending" for me to even feel satisfied, the story of fighting for power is what I enjoy. 

[Overdriven]

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I don't recall Jeyne being part of the plot of the Red Wedding...she was in love with Robb as far as I could tell...and no, she wasn't pregnant in the books. 

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I thought he meant the general book plot rather than that specific plot. She was left behind at river run it's true, so she never was at the Red Wedding.

[CrazyCracka420]

Book spoiler (not a plot spoiler, but a difference between the book and tv show): 

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One thing that they show in the episode is Bran "warging" into Hodor and all his companions notice, which differs greatly from the book in that nobody knows he controls Hodor when he does it in the book.  Was a little disappointed that they notice him warg into Hodor the first time he does it.

[Xant]

It seems to me that at least 90% of the replies are along the lines of "Masterpiece!" and 10% are 13 year old girls saying they're never watching (pirating) the show again.

Also what the fuck is up with those Tweets?

"fuck GRRM, fuck HBO, i want to kill GRRM"
x1000.

The fuck?

Also.

Leigh Bublitz ‏@leighbublitz 12 h
Anyone else throw up after thrones? No just me? #literally

How can people be upset over the fact that they get emotional? That shows it's damn good television. I guess it upsets their braindead TV sessions where they just turn their brain off.

[the real god emperor]

Oh. My. God.

The episode... I was nearly crying...

[Rumblood]

At fifteen, I had the will to  learn ; at thirty, I could stand ; at forty, I had no  doubts ; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding ;  at sixty, my ears were opened ; at seventy, I could  do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the  square..

I mean book is dead.

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...err Starks is dead 

[okiN]

I'm surprised that Robb was completely oblivious when the Rains of Castamere started playing.

[Anal Bleeding]

the story is all downhill from here.
feast for crows was crap
dance with dragons is crap.
too many new characters that no one gives a shit about.

plus all the dragon and magic crap which sucks.

[Xant]

You're crap.