HBO's Game of Thrones. [No Book Spoilers]

[Overdriven]

Yeah they dragged it out a bit.

Happy they haven't gone for more episodes with him dead though. That and they have pulled the whole beggar girl Arya thing so I'm happy with the pacing.

O and Tyrion got baaaalls.

[Vibe]

Wondering if there's any drawbacks to being resurrected like that

[Xant]

Wondering if there's any drawbacks to being resurrected like that

One of the worst things at the moment is that neither the book nor the show have really explained how all that shit works. Being able to raise the dead is one of the most powerful things ever, and when for all appearances it looks like there's no drawback and you can even raise the same guy back 5+ times... shit becomes pretty weird. And it lessens the effect of death. I was hoping Melisandre would die from the effort, or she'd permanently revert back to the old woman creature, or... you know... something. There needs to be some obvious drawback to it, either to the recipient or the caster, otherwise it raises some questions like... why isn't she doing it more?

[MacX85]

Technically this thread is no "book" spoilers. And since the show is past the books you aren't spoiling. 

It's not with the Greyjoy storyline at least.

[Algarn]

Ramsay Bolton is still a sicko that has to be killed. Martin pls.

[Knute]

One of the worst things at the moment is that neither the book nor the show have really explained how all that shit works. Being able to raise the dead is one of the most powerful things ever, and when for all appearances it looks like there's no drawback and you can even raise the same guy back 5+ times... shit becomes pretty weird. And it lessens the effect of death. I was hoping Melisandre would die from the effort, or she'd permanently revert back to the old woman creature, or... you know... something. There needs to be some obvious drawback to it, either to the recipient or the caster, otherwise it raises some questions like... why isn't she doing it more?

They did mention some of the side effects in Season 3, this is from the show wiki on Beric Dondarian:

Later, Beric reminisces on the times he has been killed with Thoros and Arya. Arya briefly asks if Thoros can revive a man with no head, clearly referring to her father, but Beric merely compliments Eddard's honourable nature and tells her of the side effect of his resurrection: with each revival, he loses some of his memories and is less himself, a life he would not wish on Eddard.

[Xant]

Well, yeah, but, you know... that's so insignificant it's barely worth mentioning. I mean, Beric says "with each revival." Dude's been killed many times, and he loses "some" of his memories each time. "Yeah, dying's such a hassle: died five times so far, and boy does it suck, I lose some of my memories each time!" It sounds like a bad drunken weekend.

[Tom Cruise]

Wondering if there's any drawbacks to being resurrected like that

I was going through my old messages the other day, just for the hell of it, and I came across this:

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WELL IT SHOULDN'T BE BECAUSE IT'S A FUCKING GAY HERO"






Why you yell at me?

[Oberyn]

Given the way magic works in the book series, it's all based on sacrificing one thing or another. Blood, human sacrifice, etc. For Dondarion it's clearly more than just memory. It's almost as if his "soul" is dimned every time he gets resurected, and it's implied there is a limit to how many times it can happen. In the books Dondarion is finally killed off completely when he resurects...someone (spoilers) the same way Thoros resurects him. Melisandre's thing is similar, always has to drain or use someone else's...lifepower, for lack of a better word, for her biggest magics. There's a saying mentioned more than once in the books about magic being like a sword without a handle.

[Overdriven]

Hopefully it's her 'life power' seeing as she's an old hag anyway.

[Molly]

3 moments for me:

wow
WOW
was to be expected

[Asheram]

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so does this mean they are not going with Jon being a Targeryan like alot have been speculating on? Because if they are going to still write him to be a Targeryan then it would have been better if they burned him so he didn't become a Wight and then have him rise from the ashes.

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

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so does this mean they are not going with Jon being a Targeryan like alot have been speculating on? Because if they are going to still write him to be a Targeryan then it would have been better if they burned him so he didn't become a Wight and then have him rise from the ashes.

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Would that have made any sense though? Is there a thing that already happens in the ASOIAF universe that says that if you burn a Targaeryn they come back to life? I think the way they did it makes the most sense since Thoros of Myr and Baeric Dondarion(i think thats their names) are already established characters.

[Tom Cruise]

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so does this mean they are not going with Jon being a Targeryan like alot have been speculating on? Because if they are going to still write him to be a Targeryan then it would have been better if they burned him so he didn't become a Wight and then have him rise from the ashes.

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The only logical outcome I can see Jon being a Targeryan still is if in the next episode, where the Tower of Joy is depicted, Nedd and some Stark homeboys face the last three Targgorilla Kingsguard, and they find Lyanna dying in the tower after the fight. So maybe they will try and throw some bullshit in like, Rhaegar blew his load inside Lyanna, Jon then pops out of Lyanna at the tower, her dying at child birth, like a regular Tyrion, and Nedd takes him in and creates a cover up story of him banging that Wylla chick during Roberts Rebellion, and that being Jon's mother.

That is my theory if they decide to go in that direction, which I don't think they will do, I think Nedd just must have derailed some random hussie during the Rebellion. But the other theory would be fun 

[Asheram]

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Would that have made any sense though? Is there a thing that already happens in the ASOIAF universe that says that if you burn a Targaeryn they come back to life? I think the way they did it makes the most sense since Thoros of Myr and Baeric Dondarion(i think thats their names) are already established characters.

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yeah your right, nothing in books established targs being rezzed thru fire, only characters coming back to life was Beric from the red priest and the wights

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the only reason my thoughts went in that direction is the show has been cutting characters and mixing storylines to make up for some that were cut, like John Connington and that other Targaryen  kid he was raising. Jorah Mormont is now the one with the greyscale