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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #75 on: December 16, 2012, 03:29:28 am »
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Which country is that? How high is unemployment rate? Because I think that jobless people in countries with unemployment rate of 5% or so are lazy people who don't want to work.
Did you really just say that if you are unemployed then you're just to lazy to work? You obviously don't know much about the real world friend.
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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #76 on: December 16, 2012, 04:17:56 am »
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My opinion, as a concerned citizen on the gun laws, would be that, taking our guns was what lead to the American Revolution(Battles of Lexington and Concord)the amendment to give us the right to bear arms was not only, for personal security or service in a militia, but also to be able to rise up if the government became tyrannical.  Taking our guns is the first step to taking our freedom.

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #77 on: December 16, 2012, 04:27:15 am »
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all this issue is about self-control mechanism. if everyone accept all people can make mistakes, then no-one will see a reason for killing a human.
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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #78 on: December 16, 2012, 05:45:43 am »
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Let's take a look at 2009 in the United States. Gun related homicides are at around eleven thousand, with suicides bringing a further eleven thousand, and with accidents involving firearms being just under a thousand. We wind up with a total of around twenty-three thousand firearm related deaths, which is still ten thousand less than the thirty-three thousand people who died as a result of various automobile related deaths for that same year. These roadway affairs are deaths we give our consent to every time we use paved ground or operate a motor vehicle- for the convenience of our society as a whole, we give these lives in tribute.

We mourn and place flowers at the roadside, but we go on with our lives, not thinking for more than perhaps a moment to abolish the transportation system which enables (this is a key word) these deaths to happen. Unlike deaths caused by firearms, of course, most of these are not suicides or homicides but just accidents- and, in a way, that seems even worse. With homicides and suicides we can address the issue of mental health, economic struggle, and so on. With accidents we can.. try to make our tools safer, and still endorse needless deaths as necessary for American ease of living.
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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #79 on: December 16, 2012, 06:10:56 am »
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I quess the most annoying part of amurican perspective is the fact that they see that 1st world born  people's lives are worth 100 times more than any other persons life in other sides of the globe. Seriuslly, anybody randomly born as a 1st world white person is probably the most luckiest bastard on the planet.

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #80 on: December 16, 2012, 10:23:37 am »
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Taking our guns is the first step to taking our freedom.
freedom to kill

we give these lives in tribute.
Who? you?
If you lose your children or brother in a car accident you dont think in tributes


that seems even worse.
Is It worse an accident than a taking life of other person consciounsly? dude.


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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #81 on: December 16, 2012, 10:36:30 am »
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All right, here are some factoids. Make what you will with them:

-The country with the world's laxest gun restrictions is Switzerland. There are actual, real, civilian families that own tanks there.
-It is also one of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the world
-The crime rate is indeed very high in the USA
-However, the states with the highest violent crime are the states with the highest gun restrictions
-Conversly, the states with the lowest violent crime are the state with the lowest gun restrictions.
-The biggest school massacre in the US history was done in 1927 using home-made explosives, not guns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster)

Now, I might be a gun nut, but any reasonable human being might see a pattern in here...
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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #82 on: December 16, 2012, 10:58:50 am »
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Why simply just commit suicide and be known as the sad sack that killed himself when I can go take down 20 other people and be popularized by the media and become an icon?  As Arathian said, gun laws have an oddly backward reflection on crime and violence, which means the issue is coming from another source.  People have speculated that the guy was mentally unstable, which is most likely very true.  The thing about it is that he probably would have just killed himself if he hadn't noticed that the media (FOX, CNN, etc) make a huge deal out of these kinds of things and blow them way out of proportion. Yes, killing almost twenty children is a pretty huge fucking thing but does it really need to be the largest news story of the year so far? No, it's depressing and using the tale of how one guy outright murdered eighteen or so school children below the grade of six is simply degrading and morally crippling to the families of said children.

People in the United States don't have the second amendment to go hunting, or to kill people breaking into their house, or to protect themselves from thugs.  It's in place because the US started out as what we would today call a terrorist group, the second amendment exists because American citizens were allowed to bear arms and form a militia to eliminate our own government.  People like to forget that the 1776 American War of Independence wasn't AMURICA fighting against English invaders, we were fighting our own government.  The right to bear arms still exists in the U.S in case revolting against our government becomes an essential and completely ideal subject again.
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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #83 on: December 16, 2012, 01:07:49 pm »
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This is such a fucked up word.


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Also, guns don't make our lives easier. Guns don't save much lives, unlike cars (ambulances ? The economic power generated by motorized transportation and everything made possible with it ?).



-However, the states with the highest violent crime are the states with the highest gun restrictions

What are the highest gun restrictions ? How many of these violent crimes were actually done with firearms, how many of those firearms were obtained legally ? Those are the real questions.

Also, Switzerland isn't one of the countries with the lowest crime rates because the gun laws are laxist, duh. You know, I could show you graphs of the average temperature during the south african summer the same years as new rambo movie releases and make a correlation between the temperature and the size of rambo's shirt on the dvd case. Any reasonable human being would see a pattern here.

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #84 on: December 16, 2012, 01:08:43 pm »
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  The right to bear arms still exists in the U.S in case revolting against our government becomes an essential and completely ideal subject again.

Thats one of the most paranoic, egocentric, megalomanic idea and reason to have a gun imo.

Like if you can win with govermental tanks with your 9mm. Not mentioning other stuff. (so its megalomanic to believe that if you have pistol in home you can rebel against goverment any time and actually do sth)

And secondly as far as i know you live in democratic country and you can change president and other stuff by voting and you are doing it for centuries now. So why it would change?( here is where your paranoic mind come alive if you tryied to answer this question, you propablyy also use a lot of "THEM" in this answer)

In Poland we rebeled against communistic goverment that was under soviet russia protectorate withouth a single gun shot from rebel side. And this is how you do a succesfull rebelion.
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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #85 on: December 16, 2012, 01:16:45 pm »
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Thats one of the most paranoic, egocentric, megalomanic idea and reason to have a gun imo.

Like if you can win with govermental tanks with your 9mm. Not mentioning other stuff. (so its megalomanic to believe that if you have pistol in home you can rebel against goverment any time and actually do sth)

And secondly as far as i know you live in democratic country and you can change president and other stuff by voting and you are doing it for centuries now. So why it would change?( here is where your paranoic mind come alive if you tryied to answer this question, you propablyy also use a lot of "THEM" in this answer)

In Poland we rebeled against communistic goverment that was under soviet russia protectorate withouth a single gun shot from rebel side. And this is how you do a succesfull rebelion.

Honestly, the political world should always be afraid of a rebellion, even in democracies. Democratic governments seem to slowly slip down into less and less democratic ways. Also, history proved that democratic government types aren't more stable than others.

Admittedly, you don't really need many firearms to cause chaos.

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #86 on: December 16, 2012, 01:17:46 pm »
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Let's take a look at 2009 in the United States. Gun related homicides are at around eleven thousand, with suicides bringing a further eleven thousand, and with accidents involving firearms being just under a thousand. We wind up with a total of around twenty-three thousand firearm related deaths, which is still ten thousand less than the thirty-three thousand people who died as a result of various automobile related deaths for that same year. These roadway affairs are deaths we give our consent to every time we use paved ground or operate a motor vehicle- for the convenience of our society as a whole, we give these lives in tribute.

We mourn and place flowers at the roadside, but we go on with our lives, not thinking for more than perhaps a moment to abolish the transportation system which enables (this is a key word) these deaths to happen. Unlike deaths caused by firearms, of course, most of these are not suicides or homicides but just accidents- and, in a way, that seems even worse. With homicides and suicides we can address the issue of mental health, economic struggle, and so on. With accidents we can.. try to make our tools safer, and still endorse needless deaths as necessary for American ease of living.
Holy shit that is some amazing bullshit.

But, hey, atleast Americans are probably best equipped to deal with a zombie apocalypse.

In Poland we rebeled against communistic goverment that was under soviet russia protectorate withouth a single gun shot from rebel side. And this is how you do a succesfull rebelion.
Yeah worked perfectly in Prague in 1968 as well.

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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #87 on: December 16, 2012, 01:27:41 pm »
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194 in Germany. I'm not even sure how to get a gun... :P
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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #88 on: December 16, 2012, 01:34:58 pm »
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Yeah worked perfectly in Prague in 1968 as well.
Not saying it allways work. But armed rebellions don't have higher succes rate.

Spcially when you think about it in USA way. I have assalut rifle goverment have tanks but yet i can overthrow them with my gun !
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Re: Question For EUs
« Reply #89 on: December 16, 2012, 01:55:15 pm »
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The right to bear arms still exists in the U.S in case revolting against our government becomes an essential and completely ideal subject again.

Makes sense. But in that case you guys should demand from your government to allow to purchase newest military technology. You'll need it if you want to defend yourself from your own government, guns and rifles won't help you there.