Pikes and spears, overhead stab

[Kafein]

if this every happens, it should be impossible to block multiple pikes at the same time. otherwise piking is just useless

Adding an overhead stab, that would be blocked by an up block, is making blocking multiple pikes (used by players that were gifted with brains) impossible.

[Haboe]

having a piker and 2hander against you is the same story

Good footwork, very fast blocking or being a shielder are the best counters 

But i heard a lot "if they can't block i like it"
Interesting, i must say i am curious how that would redefine the role of a piker.

[Inglorious]

The way I envision it happening if this were to be implemented:

Initial poke; as players draw closer together (Pike dominant phase). Then when everyone clashes, secondary weapons (not pikes) become most effective, as opposing lines fold and inter-melee begins and people drop their pikes. Yes they still will be effective even during the mixed melee due to their amazing length and support capability, but if someone was to be surrounded, hypothetically they should either drop it for 2nd'ry or try to jump-spin-stab as they run.

[BlueKnight]

Group of 3 pikers will be impossible to reach if those attacks require different blocks, also... making 4 minute video of 2 attacks.... I guess 1 minute would be enough.

Also stabs in this game behave kinda strange when it comes to hit detection. Adding more stabs won't make game less broken. We need some more advanced mechanics but adding more stabs, really? Stab from a horseman is on the same height as the stab of that longspearman but you can block stab of a horseman with downblock and you would be supposed to block stab from longspearman with upblock?

What can I say... I don't think installing this in crpg is a good idea.

[CrazyCracka420]

That's kind of the point BK (that you can't block 3 pikes stabbing at you at the same time).  Get a shield, or get more people.  As Inglorious said, once you get close enough, those 3 pikemen are pretty useless if they have a 1h/shield or really anyone with a smaller weapon in their face.

The only problem I foresee with this, is trying to determine if the 5 pikes coming at me are up or down stabs

[Moncho]

Make my awlpike also have that and it will be like NW i ran away from ^.^

This ^^

Also, if implemented the animations should be a bit more different, would hate to be convinced that it was a lower stab when it actually is a higher one.
And if implemented, hoplites need this

[BlueKnight]

That's kind of the point BK (that you can't block 3 pikes stabbing at you at the same time).  Get a shield, or get more people.  As Inglorious said, once you get close enough, those 3 pikemen are pretty useless if they have a 1h/shield or really anyone with a smaller weapon in their face.

The only problem I foresee with this, is trying to determine if the 5 pikes coming at me are up or down stabs

You know... Now when being alone versus those 3 guys you can't kill any one them because you have to keep blocking but if there were 2 of them with upper-stabs and they knew what to do, even surviving could be hard.

[Haboe]

Same if a current piker is with a 2hander...

i don't see the problem in it being hard if you are outnumbered (1v2 or 1v3) Its should be hard.

[Gravoth_iii]

They already tried this didnt they, and removed it because all the other polearms got the same overhead animation then, also overhead poke is kinda annoying to block since it is quite similar to regular thrust.

[BlueKnight]

Same if a current piker is with a 2hander...

i don't see the problem in it being hard if you are outnumbered (1v2 or 1v3) Its should be hard.

You seem not to like 2h weapons...

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

You seem not to like 2h weapons...

I'm guessing that's 'cause 2h swords generally are brokenly overpowered.

[Dark_Blade]

NO
just no, cuz atm some people can kill another people 1 vs 1 just with running and 1 hit direction... what should be if they shall have 2 directions?
yes if remove blocks for pikes

[Sivlan]

i agree with zlisch and with that topic. i firstly encountered overhead thrusts in Vikingr which is sadly slow, so they didnt do any difference, in Napoleonic wars, they are too fast ( muskets in melee more) if it would be fine balanced, it would make hoplite and pike build users game much more enjoyable and less boring, would give new teamfight tactics, and generally be a step forward putting pikes in to game again as it was long time ago, and against what i had nothing to say YES DO IT NOW!

[Haboe]

NO
just no, cuz atm some people can kill another people 1 vs 1 just with running and 1 hit direction... what should be if they shall have 2 directions?
yes if remove blocks for pikes

Then 1 of those ppl is chase dieler or muffin, and the other a guy that broke his right mousebutton.
Pike is a lot weaker then the other weapons in duels, and the rare cases of pro players that get to win a duel now and then don't change that ;)

I do however like the idea of removing blocking for pikes and longspears if this would be added.

[karasu]

Even if I like the idea itself (kinda makes sense the usage of it) would ruin and create chaos in terms of balance due to the game mechanics.