Pikes and spears, overhead stab

[Gurnisson]

Pikes are fine as they are

[Augustus]

I think it would be nice, though, to be able to do pike formations without getting destroyed by a farmer who can down-block.

[pingpong]

If no overhead stab is coming, then pikes and long spears need overhead slash back, no matter how ridiculous it looks like it still made them atleast somewhat viable alternative to 2h bundle of sticksry

[Gravoth_iii]

If no overhead stab is coming, then pikes and long spears need overhead slash back, no matter how ridiculous it looks like it still made them atleast somewhat viable alternative to 2h bundle of sticksry

2h and pikes are completely different and viable in different ways, 2h may have a ridiculous stab but pike has small stun and massive reach, in teamfights pikes are way more usefull than 2h as it is. I think pikes would be op with a overhead stab, i mean how are you suppose to block them in teamfights? Its already difficult enough to keep track of blocking down when in big fights.

And by pikes i mean both longspear and pike ofcourse.

[Gurnisson]

but pike has small stun

Excuse me, what did you just say?

[oprah_winfrey]

Excuse me, what did you just say?

Technically they do...its just the same as every other weapon in the game.

[Gravoth_iii]

Nono, im pretty sure poles still lock people in place from time to time, not enough to land another hit or anything but when i poke people they get stuck, but when i slash with 1h they can still keep moving after being hit.

[Ragni_Bross]

Give it the high stab, make it a lot cheaper so peasants can buy it early on and still be useful and then make it unable to block. This makes sense and I've suggested it before. Or make it braceable against enemy cav like in Deluge. In other words, make it work like a proper pike.

[Teeth]

Or make it braceable against enemy cav like in Deluge.

There is not a single situation in cRPG where I see bracing a pike having any use.

[Ujin]

Give overhead stab to hoplites only. That's right, i said it.

[Leshma]

Nono, im pretty sure poles still lock people in place from time to time, not enough to land another hit or anything but when i poke people they get stuck, but when i slash with 1h they can still keep moving after being hit.

Not sure about thrust, but it seems that overhead from 2D polearms still stunlocks people.

[Sir_Winston_Churchill]

I really like this idea for hoplites. I don't think it's as good for pikes, but the big flaw for hoplites is that they can ONLY stab low. Therefore I think that adding an overhead attack (at least for the shorter spears) would really be beneficial.

In addition, it is also very realistic as Greek hoplites stabbed overhead most of the time. It really surprised me as they are usually depicted (Rome Total War) as stabbing underhand, but I've read quite a few sources that say they fought with overhand stabs primarily. Some pictures just to emphasize the point:

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[Weewum]

Actually, pike formations would often have pikes held overhead in the renaissance.

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[Berserkadin]

Giving it to hoplites would make sense in all ways. It's not like hoplites are OP, or flowing over the server. Spear and shield is really not that good as it should be.

[pingpong]

if youre going to add it to spear & shield guys, might just go all the way and add it to all spears + pike then, theyre not gonna get overly OP, infact id say adding it to hoplite builds would make them a bit OP because they can turtle from arsery spam while pikemen cant.