Turn rate nerf good or bad for the game in general?

[Shemaforash]

No... Because thrusting was made useless in general so why not just go with a one hander when you never use thrusts with that one... And personally I feel overheads were hurt more as a 2h but not on a big scale

[Tagora]

Analogous to all white people should shut up when people talk about race (lol), apparently if you play 2h you should shut up.  God.  Get with it you racists.

[Phew]

No... Because thrusting was made useless in general so why not just go with a one hander when you never use thrusts with that one... And personally I feel overheads were hurt more as a 2h but not on a big scale

I dunno, most of the 2h heroes I see all traded for +3 Great Swords (28p thrust) and go around lolstabbing to the top of the scoreboard, so I think (2h) thrusting is as good as ever.

[oprah_winfrey]

I dunno, most of the 2h heroes I see all traded for +3 Great Swords (28p thrust) and go around lolstabbing to the top of the scoreboard, so I think (2h) thrusting is as good as ever.

Unless you use a stabby one hander, you were pretty much uneffected by the spin nerf change. Some two hand play styles became a lot worse with the spin nerf.

In other words, I see a bunch of people that traded for [insert not stabby one hand] (such as NCS, NWS, niuedao, etc) and go around left swinging to the top of the score board, so I think (1h) left swinging is as good as ever.

[crazybob]

Very bad for me personally speaking as a hoplite.
It bothers me that the game got harder due to crappified control over your character  In that sense it is in my opinion bad for the game in general.

Warning: Partially off-topic (personal stuff about warspear nerfs):

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Once upon a time a long time ago i became hoplite because i wanted a weapon that i could use on both horse and on foot and also because it was a unique playstyle. Even though it was much harder to learn both on foot and on horse it was my choice of weapon. Then they nerfed all(!) polearms turnangle so the warspear got completely useless while mounted (and it definitely wasn't overpowered on a horse prior to that nerf). Fine. I got a heavy lance like everybody else. Then the turnnerf. Wtf. Is my beloved warspear really that overpowered? Like 3 guys in crpg played permanently with the warspear practicing and practicing and got good using it and then it's deemed too overpowered and gets nerfed. I really don't understand why.

When the nerf came i was thinking "oh well maybe i'll get used to it". Nope i haven't and i know i never will. Playing native now. It's fun playing hoplite there.

[Berserkadin]

2h stab is still pretty abusable, probably one of the things that got hit the least of the nerfs and hit not so strong classes as hoplites alot harder. It just dumbed down shit more.

[Teeth]

2h stab is still pretty abusable, probably one of the things that got hit the least of the nerfs and hit not so strong classes as hoplites alot harder. It just dumbed down shit more.

Hoplite still works really well, in a very similar way to longspear.

[cmp]

So, basically:
- 2h stabs are pretty much unaffected and still overpowered
- 2h stabs are now useless
- hoplites are not viable anymore
- hoplites weren't hit that hard

How am i supposed to take you guys seriously?

[Gurnisson]

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So, basically:
- 2h stabs are pretty much unaffected and still overpowered
- 2h stabs are now useless
- hoplites are not viable anymore
- hoplites weren't hit that hard

How am i supposed to take you guys seriously?

No one said 2d polearms were unaffected. Got to count for something!

[cmp]

Well, hoplite is a subset of 2d polearms.

[San]

Hoplites were made more powerful (afaik) with better hitboxes, which was a separate change from the turn nerf. Powerful, but more... unweildy might be the word? Some people like it, some people don't.

[Templar_Ratigan]

So, basically:
- 2h stabs are pretty much unaffected and still overpowered
- 2h stabs are now useless
- hoplites are not viable anymore
- hoplites weren't hit that hard

How am i supposed to take you guys seriously?

You aren't. It's all subjective opinion based hoo hah.

Essentially a lot of the points made on this forum and in game come down to "Well I or X can do well with it, why cant you?" And vice versa for a reversal of that argument in which: "it is bad, everyone else thinks so, but you dont seem to think so, why?"

Unfortunately being able to beat people in game does not necessarily prove a point. It can prove you are better than them at certain aspects and builds. And on the flipside of this...just because you struggle does not necessarily mean that it is objectively difficult to do something, you have to look at your own skills first before you call bullshit.

But does it nullify their perspective? If I were balancing a game I would not listen to the elites or the scrubs. I would look for those in the middle. They are not the best nor are they the worst, but they are the majority.

Unfortunately this module has always had an extreme of either side being the majority. So you end up in this awful position of not being able to listen to anyone, because none of them have a balanced perspective halfway between entertainment and ability.

[karasu]

Well, hoplite is a subset of 2d polearms.

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[Leshma]

So, basically:
- 2h stabs are pretty much unaffected and still overpowered
- 2h stabs are now useless
- hoplites are not viable anymore
- hoplites weren't hit that hard

How am i supposed to take you guys seriously?

Learn to differentiate between people who know something about this game and random idiots who use their right to have an "opinion".

[cmp]

It was a rhetorial question, sillies.