A humble request for support in our invasion

[BaleOhay]

Well said gristle.

Also for some reaosn they think we are at war with them. We defended the Bird clan borders and with a few attacks of opportunity sent a couple of their members for rides to Eu when they were in our zone of influence. We never went on the offensive. None of our armies marched into hero territory and attacked them. I have a feeling they take the FCC/HP "war" a little more serious then we did.


It was a peace keeping mission. Do not give us reason to believe you have weapons of mass destruction hidden in your sandy stongholds

[partyboy]

All of that never would have happened if they didn't take away ladders.

[MURDERTRON]

I got bzilla

And we didn't "just invade their territory" it was a dispute over a land claim that sparked the war and lack of coming to a diplomatic agreement that kept it going.

You should really get into politics, I don't think I've ever seen a Kesh post without some sort of propaganda in it.

I find this to be a rather weak argument.  Are you saying that I can just make a map that says MURDERNATION in over your land in giant red letters and all of a sudden it is a legitimate claim?

Legitimate claims went away when the voting system came into place.  Any fiefs that have changed hands since beginning of strat 4 have been acts of war or fief transfers that were previously agreed upon.

[CrazyCracka420]

Right...Our stance: a guy that was our vassal was the lord of a castle, Hero Party attacked the castle of one of our vassals.  Hero parties stance was that it was a castle that belonged to a now-defunct faction (they didn't care who the lord was, he was no longer part of an organized faction) and they didn't know he was our vassal. 

It wasn't like TKoV's land claim for Chevalier lands, that's for sure (they just wanted to expand).  We had a legitimate causus belli for war (it wasn't necessarily smart or in our best interests to press the claim however), and our stance all along (which people are free to dispute) was that we were trying to retake the castle and were going to give it to another of our allies when the current lord (our vassal) joined our faction as a full member.

This is all old news and been beaten to death at least 50 times by Hero Party, the Hospitallers, and the 101st keyboardists of FCC.

[Matey]

personally, while i think it would be fun to have ol smoothy signing up for us he has so many times in the past; i don't really mind that HP is siding with hosp here, it does make for more interesting fights and it is nice to see people willing to change allies/enemies... even if it is all based on smooths grudge against phantom. but i do want to ask you HP guys this, if FCC really considered itself at war with you, dont you think some of the armies in hosp lands would have paid you a visit before we launched an invasion against a much better fortified enemy? I mean really, if we had ANY interest at all in harming hero party lands, dont you think we would have sent troops at your fiefs instead of pouring fuel onto our old war with hosp?

[Tears of Destiny]

Trying to reason with Hero Party is like trying to figure out why the tide goes in and out. There are far more productive entertaining ways of using your energy in a war.

[Matey]

Trying to reason with Hero Party is like trying to figure out why the tide goes in and out. There are far more productive entertaining ways of using your energy in a war.

are you suggesting that their mood shifts based on a lunar cycle? like perhaps there is some period of time where they experience frequent changes in moods which lead to unpredictable behaviour?

[Tears of Destiny]

are you suggesting that their mood shifts based on a lunar cycle? like perhaps there is some period of time where they experience frequent changes in moods which lead to unpredictable behaviour?

After cataloging the behavior of the Hero_Party leadership, I've come to the grim conclusion that they must all be werewolves, as their mood and predictability does follow the lunar cycle with alarming accuracy.

[Lordark]

Volunteers to go Tkov vassal b4 being forced to be Fcc vassal.

(there are only 2 sides left in Na strat, Fcc side and tTov. The rest are just waiting to be assimililated.)

Keep Na strat alive! Crush Kesh! woot*

[SHinOCk]

Huey Newton, I used to own him as Cav

[BaleOhay]

personally, while i think it would be fun to have ol smoothy signing up for us he has so many times in the past; i don't really mind that HP is siding with hosp here, it does make for more interesting fights and it is nice to see people willing to change allies/enemies... even if it is all based on smooths grudge against phantom. but i do want to ask you HP guys this, if FCC really considered itself at war with you, dont you think some of the armies in hosp lands would have paid you a visit before we launched an invasion against a much better fortified enemy? I mean really, if we had ANY interest at all in harming hero party lands, dont you think we would have sent troops at your fiefs instead of pouring fuel onto our old war with hosp?

my point exactly matey. Were we really at war with them it would have been a bit different. I am fine with them signing however they wish, but thinking it was more then us stopping them from bull rushing bird clan is just wrong.

I would also not consider it being a 2 sided map at the moment. Hosp, hero, frisdin freedom, FP, Fcc, NH, VE, remnant, occitan, tamda pact nations, pale horse, Chaos (prob missed some).. all are about their own goals. If it was 2 sided they would be either allied with us or ve.. as far as I know we have a few friendly groups... some hostile, but none beholden to us and we are only at war with hosp at the moment. None of the other groups are at war as far as I know right now. 

[Thax]

nvm

[SHinOCk]

my point exactly matey. Were we really at war with them it would have been a bit different. I am fine with them signing however they wish, but thinking it was more then us stopping them from bull rushing bird clan is just wrong.

I would also not consider it being a 2 sided map at the moment. Hosp, hero, Fcc, VE, remnant, occitan, tamda pact nations, pale horse, Chaos (prob missed some).. all are about their own goals. If it was 2 sided they would be either allied with us or ve.. as far as I know we have a few friendly groups... some hostile, but none beholden to us and we are only at war with hosp at the moment. None of the other groups are at war as far as I know right now.

It is 2 sided because both your clans are indirectly bullying all the small/medium clans around you into not doing anything or allying with 1 of your clans if they don't wanna get annihilated by your superior resources. Its true especially with FCC since you guys don't need a real reason to go to war forcing your idea that we should fight day and night for the sake of fighting on other people. Your influence overreach your borders and that's a sad thing. Remember the threats of war if we bought a fief HP had taken from LLjK!? and were at the other end of the map. Just imagine the clans around you now and what they have to deal with every time they try to plan their next moves.

I understand why HP might not like you guys anymore, the vassal thing sounds like bullshit and makes no sense i'm sorry, a 1 man clan don't have vassals. I'm pretty sure everybody beside ppl from your clan sees the Bird clan absorbing LLjK like a cheap move from LLjK to get protection from FCC. At least that's how i see it and no amount of bad propaganda and excuses will make me see another angle to that move.

[Visconti]

I dont see how are bullying people into not doing anything, considering we havent even talked to most of the factions on the map for anything other then trade. No way it can be called a 2 sided map atm, especially considering Occitan just came back to NA with all their EU goodies. Not to mention, Hospi didnt lose that much in terms of troops/gear during our war with them at the start of this strat, unless the armies they sent at Dusturil was most of what they had, which i dont believe. They are still a pretty big player on NA strat, same goes for Remnant, Hero party, NH, the TAMDA factions, and CHAOS/Horsemen. 

[SHinOCk]

You're biased Trist, im talking about your clan, i understand what you mean but take a look at what happened this strat so far and ask yourself why nothing is happening anymore. I can't speak for all the clans but i sure as hell don't see mine as a big player on NA map yet since we hold only 3 fiefs and are still trying to settle in. There's also the history behind this whole strat so far that makes ppl think about their next move like VE destroying a clan 10 times smaller (Chevaliers) and FCC completely removing KUTT from the map because THEY decided they were not fit to hold any land at all.

Theres also another thing and that's my own opinion, due to your good standing with FCC in the past, im pretty sure you guys would end up being allies again and feeding each other resources/troops if 1 of you got in trouble for any reasons. That's another reason why you guys are the 2 power block of this strat