Strength builds, glaives and other broken things

[Vibe]

Don't you use +3 plate with 30+ str?
And you try tell me that isn't the reason you beat most people in melee?

He beats them with his superior technique, not his lame ass build!

Here's a good example of his superior technique aka scrubbed in round 2 on native:

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http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,254140.0.html

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Here's a good example of his superior technique aka scrubbed in round 2 on native:

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A good example of him getting scrubbed in round 2 on native is a broken pic?

[Akynos]

Don't you use +3 plate with 30+ str?
And you try tell me that isn't the reason you beat most people in melee?

I sometimes play with my 1h STF without any loom, and I still get top scoreboard on EU1. So no, it isn't the reason why I beat most people in melee.
There are other players, such as Butan, who are shit when it comes to combat reflexes, and yet are a true challenge in melee because they are great at getting the hits to pass the defense of the enemy, and so are most powerful with a str build.
It all depends on playstyle.

It's not because you are "good at strength builds" it is because they are fucking easy to play and any semi competent player can use them and do better than they would with normal builds.

On duel server,i've seen average players who got sliced to death in medium armor, then they got a big armor and lots of str with an alt and didn't even hit once. It merely took more hits to take them down. After that, they remember why they don't go for that build. You should try.

He beats them with his superior technique, not his lame ass build!

Here's a good example of his superior technique aka scrubbed in round 2 on native:

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Hey Vibe, nice to see you can talk after all, you were so quiet on nditions while I sliced your spasmatic ass. Doesn't matter, I never pretended to be good at native anyway, I'm not used to playing an agi-based character anymore.

[Moncho]

QQ moar. 15/21 shielder build, and not many people survived me (about a month and a half ago, last time I played).
Either the meta has changed a lot in a relatively short time, or you are just yet another QQer...

[Torben]

yes lets make this thread about epeen -.-

[Shaksie]

Would anyone like a linear wpf penalty or no?

Yessir, paint many pictures for our collective stupidity!

Also, nerf strength.
With a reasonable speed weapon (I used Heavy Bastard Sword because it is mighty overpowered in my opinion) and light-medium armor I was more than fast enough; I can still feint well and my attack speed is easily high enough. The only disadvantage is that I can't chase people, however my footwork feels almost unhindered. The only difference is that I can take double the punishment and deal it equally.

[Rhaelys]

As a level 34 30/12 Glaive user, I can only say that my build is horribly fucking broken and I can't understand why it's taken people so long to realize how amazing Strength Glaive builds are.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Skono is a good player, sure he crutches plate, but if I don't hit him once due to blocking skills and well placed kicks it doesn't really matter.

Glaives could use a speed or dmg nerf, but then again so could practically every 2h sword. STR builds are overrated with anything but the longest weaponry, I prefer agi stacking myself... what really is in need of a nerf is medium armor, there really isn't a big difference between plate and a kuyak in armor rating, huge difference in weight though, and if even 0 ath chars could have weight affect them in a big way that'd be nice.

[Grumbs]

Ahem http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/crpg-status-and-plans/

The 0wm builds were something people talked about many months prior to that even, but I think with that update people assumed it was getting tweaked in the near future, so people didn't complain so much.

But yeah higher WPF should get a buff. Removing free wpf is an option, but might be better to buff higher WPF than straight nerf a whole lot of builds

[Laufknoten]

Removing free wpf is an option, but might be better to buff higher WPF than straight nerf a whole lot of builds

Actually, why not? Ironflesh should be a luxury skill, not something every non-hybrid infantry build should have en masse.
As it is now, a heavy strenght build (with 0 or 1 WM) is extremely viable in battle and Godzilla-like in siege. A high agi build (I'm not talking about 18/21, I'm talking about 12/27, 9/30 or something like that) can be quite effective in battle if used by a good player and with the right equipment, but every mistake will most likely be punished by death.
     

[Akynos]

Actually, why not? Ironflesh should be a luxury skill, not something every non-hybrid infantry build should have en masse.
As it is now, a heavy strenght build (with 0 or 1 WM) is extremely viable in battle and Godzilla-like in siege. A high agi build (I'm not talking about 18/21, I'm talking about 12/27, 9/30 or something like that) can be quite effective in battle if used by a good player and with the right equipment, but every mistake will most likely be punished by death.
   

STR is the main element of melee, it is therefore normal that most infantry have str-oriented builds. For sure it is easier to use than agi-build in those cases but it comes down to preferences.
I think we should not make agi builds as viable as str builds for melee. I personally see agility as a bonus that allows players to find the playstyle they like. Some people are better with more agility, those are players who use feints and footwork to win. Others, such as me, are not great at feints and footwork, but prefer high survivability and sly techniques to hit with high damage.
IMO, people should focus on a build that they find effective with their playstyle, regardless of str or agi.

[Vibe]

A good example of him getting scrubbed in round 2 on native is a broken pic?

pic gets updated regularly as it's an ongoing tournament, it's down atm though

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,254140.0.html

Hey Vibe, nice to see you can talk after all, you were so quiet on nditions while I sliced your spasmatic ass. Doesn't matter, I never pretended to be good at native anyway, I'm not used to playing an agi-based character anymore.

Lol, I never speak much on nditions. Then again, any scrub that backpedals and turtles can kill me when I'm practicing my uberawesome spasms (which is 95% of my time spent on Nditions), so no medal for you there, fatty turtle boi. FYI anyone can fight like you do, problem is most of the people like to play styles/builds that are not for braindead people. PS I never claimed I was any good at native either, would probably have to play a lot more to keep up with the native guys. Good try at the tourny though, I bet you got an early PMS for losing so bad.

kiss kiss

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Lol, I never speak much on nditions. Then again, any scrub that backpedals and turtles can kill me when I'm practicing my uberawesome spasms (which is 95% of my time spent on Nditions), so no medal for you there, fatty turtle boi. FYI anyone can fight like you do, problem is most of the people like to play styles/builds that are not for braindead people. PS I never claimed I was any good at native either, would probably have to play a lot more to keep up with the native guys. Good try at the tourny though, I bet you got an early PMS for losing so bad.

kiss kiss

You are.

[Akynos]

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pic gets updated regularly as it's an ongoing tournament, it's down atm though

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,254140.0.html

Lol, I never speak much on nditions. Then again, any scrub that backpedals and turtles can kill me when I'm practicing my uberawesome spasms (which is 95% of my time spent on Nditions), so no medal for you there, fatty turtle boi. FYI anyone can fight like you do, problem is most of the people like to play styles/builds that are not for braindead people. PS I never claimed I was any good at native either, would probably have to play a lot more to keep up with the native guys. Good try though at the tourny though, I bet you got an early PMS for losing so bad.

kiss kiss

Strange, I thought you were a mature guy. Guess I'm wrong.

[Vibe]

You are.

bro you just haven't met any good native players yet