Cleaver shielder

[Erzengel]

I'm minusing this post not to be a dick but because I believe it's false information.  You aren't taking into account the damage bonus that the 5 WM of the 21/15 build provides.

Ultimately, the 24/15 build provides very slightly more damage than 21/15, at the cost of a slightly slower swing speed and a very slightly smaller hp pool.  I personally prefer 21/15 as a level 30 build, however if you think you're going to go above level 30 24/15 might be better because it has more room for you to grow into.

Really though they are both good builds and there is very little different between them.

Any information about the amount of extra damage you get from the 5 WM? I am sure it is quite small.

Edit: According to the Game mechanics mega thread 10 wpf equals 1,5% damage. 5 WM will give you about 35 additional points which means a little bit more than 5%. The additional strength will also give you more damage (1 damage per 5 strength). So you lose about 3% of damage with the 21/15 build. The small increase in attack speed won't really make a difference with the Military Cleaver because it is too slow already. I still prefer 3% more damage over 1 hit point.


15 agility should be enough for Military Cleaver if you use medium armor. It all depends on the equipment you are going to use. I still prefer having atleast 6 athletics.

[Malaclypse]

Level 35

61 HP

24 Strength
21 Agility

1 IF
8 PS
5 Shield
7 Ath
5 WM

152 1hand

Decent HP, pretty sturdy shield, hits like a truck, runs fairly fast. Good luck buddy.

[Erzengel]

Level 35

61 HP

24 Strength
21 Agility

1 IF
8 PS
5 Shield
7 Ath
5 WM

152 1hand

Decent HP, pretty sturdy shield, hits like a truck, runs fairly fast. Good luck buddy.

Not sure if he will make it to level 35. Besides that you should better max out your shieldskill instead of WM.

[BlackMilk]

Any information about the amount of extra damage you get from the 5 WM? I am sure it is quite small.

Edit: According to the Game mechanics mega thread 10 wpf equals 1,5% damage. 5 WM will give you about 35 additional points which means a little bit more than 5%. The additional strength will also give you more damage (1 damage per 5 strength). So you lose about 3% of damage with the 21/15 build. The small increase in attack speed won't really make a difference with the Military Cleaver because it is too slow already. I still prefer 3% more damage over 1 hit point.


15 agility should be enough for Military Cleaver if you use medium armor. It all depends on the equipment you are going to use. I still prefer having atleast 6 athletics.

7 PS 148 WPF - Military Cleaver
Minimum: 54
Average: 57.5
Maximum: 61

8 PS 110 WPF
Minimum: 54
Average: 57.5
Maximum: 61

No difference at all lol

taken from http://infinitum.dyndns.org/crpg/calc.htm

[Erzengel]

7 PS 148 WPF - Military Cleaver
Minimum: 54
Average: 57.5
Maximum: 61

8 PS 110 WPF
Minimum: 54
Average: 57.5
Maximum: 61

No difference at all lol

taken from http://infinitum.dyndns.org/crpg/calc.htm

Now we have to ask which one is wrong. The game mechanics thread or the calculator.

Both builds are good. I guess it is just personal preference. You could also go 24/15 and drop the IF for WM for maximum damage.

[Malaclypse]

Not sure if he will make it to level 35. Besides that you should better max out your shieldskill instead of WM.

Yeah, probably not but... all the same, that build seems very solid and is one I'm considering.  The combo of 8 Powerstrike and 7 Athletics is silly deadly. Shield/WM changed to taste. I had 7 shield skill for awhile and it was awful, the thing hardly ever broke!


For a level 30 build, though, in seriousness, I'd recommend having at least 18 agi/6 ath with the cleaver, so either 18/21 or 21/18 (the difference between 6-7 PS with a 1-hand is pretty minimal, though, so I'd go with the former and get more movement speed).

24/18 @ 31 would be an awesome build (8 PS, 6 Shield, 6 Ath).

Whatever you do, as a shielder your core skills are Powerstrike, Athletics, and of course Shield. Ironflesh, WM, and anything else can be added based on your preference.

Now we have to ask which one is wrong. The game mechanics thread or the calculator.

Use this calculator instead: http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/

[Daniisme]

I'm not 100% you know, now i'm with this nordic style but I will use the Clever so it demand other armor doesnt it 

[Erzengel]

Yeah, probably not but... all the same, that build seems very solid and is one I'm considering.  The combo of 8 Powerstrike and 7 Athletics is silly deadly. Shield/WM changed to taste. I had 7 shield skill for awhile and it was awful, the thing hardly ever broke!


For a level 30 build, though, in seriousness, I'd recommend having at least 18 agi/6 ath with the cleaver, so either 18/21 or 21/18 (the difference between 6-7 PS with a 1-hand is pretty minimal, though, so I'd go with the former and get more movement speed).

24/18 @ 31 would be an awesome build (8 PS, 6 Shield, 6 Ath).

Whatever you do, as a shielder your core skills are Powerstrike, Athletics, and of course Shield. Ironflesh, WM, and anything else can be added based on your preference.


Use this calculator instead: http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/

This calculator gives me a little bit more damage for 24/18. But it is so small that you won't notice the difference. In this case I would also prefer 21/15 over 24/18.

[Daniisme]

Fine fine I might use 18/18 or 21/15 but wich armor I should use with it?

I want to look pretty nice with the Clever 

[Malaclypse]

Fine fine I might use 18/18 or 21/15 but wich armor I should use with it?

I want to look pretty nice with the Clever 

Well if you're using a fine Rhodok weapon like the Cleaver, you can't go wrong with a Ragged Outfit.

[MrShine]

Well if you're using a fine Rhodok weapon like the Cleaver, you can't go wrong with a Ragged Outfit.

Shameless biased plug for ragged outfit!

[Sandersson Jankins]

I use a 70 length MW flanged mace on my main. Level 31, 21/15 with some throwing. I do not tend to have a problem with closing the range, and my weapon is damned short. This could have something to do with fighting at least 2 enemies at once most times, heh.

[Kafein]

I use a 70 length MW flanged mace on my main. Level 31, 21/15 with some throwing. I do not tend to have a problem with closing the range, and my weapon is damned short. This could have something to do with fighting at least 2 enemies at once most times, heh.

My experience if that most 1h above 80 reach are ok to use with any build. Under that you will start to feel seriously disadvantaged without a fairly agile build.

[SirProto]

i thought everyone was talking about this cleaver:

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I was so confused

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although that does give me an idea...

[Inglorious]

i thought everyone was talking about this cleaver:

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I was so confused

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although that does give me an idea...

A bigger and more useful version of this magnificently horrifying looking weapon...?