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Re: Mars One
« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2013, 03:23:00 am »
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Im not exactly sure what this thread is about , but i overread some posts about sending nuclear wase into the sun.
Sending stuff  into the sun is technically no big deal, aswell as there wouldnt be any interresting effects of it hitting the sun.
The only  problem about it is , that there IS NO 100% guaranty that any rocket start would succeed. Also its pretty common knowledge , that nuclear waste contains high poisonous substances like plutonium, where only about one liter is able to destroy all life on earth for ten's to hundreds of thausands of years if it makes it into the earth water circle household. some tons of radiactive substances in the biosphere causing some mutations deaths are a joke against this.
Lets say, the chance would exceede 99.99%(which is far from current technological state), it would be a chance of 0.001% to cleanse all organic life on this planet. Who would take the risk ? At which percentage would it be worth ? Certainly not above the chance of a propperly done Deep geological repository can achieve.
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Re: Mars One
« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2013, 11:06:40 am »
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imagine the ping if you wanna play crpg o0

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Re: Mars One
« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2013, 11:33:38 am »
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Im not exactly sure what this thread is about , but i overread some posts about sending nuclear wase into the sun.
Sending nuclear waste into the sun is technically no big deal, aswell as there wouldnt be any interresting effects of it hitting the sun.
The only  problem about it is , that there IS NO 100% guaranty that any rocket start would succeed. Also its pretty common knowledge , that nuclear waste contains high poisonous substances like plutonium, where only about one liter is able to destroy all life on earth for ten's to hundreds of thausands of years if it makes it into the earth water circle household. some tons of radiactive substances in the biosphere causing some mutations deaths are a joke against this.
Lets say, the chance would exceede 99.99%(which is far from current technological state), it would be a chance of 0.001% to cleanse all biological life on this planet. Who would take the risk ? At which percentage would it be worth ? Certainly not above the chance of a propperly done Deep geological repository can achieve.

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Re: Mars One
« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2013, 09:41:10 am »
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Your bursts of dadaistic glory do not cease to amaze me.

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Re: Mars One
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2013, 11:19:00 am »
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I borrowed it. ><

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Re: Mars One
« Reply #50 on: June 04, 2013, 12:51:33 pm »
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I borrowed it. ><

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Re: Mars One
« Reply #51 on: June 04, 2013, 01:04:20 pm »
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Re: Mars One
« Reply #52 on: June 04, 2013, 03:50:35 pm »
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mh, I am not sure I understand the connections you draw. You think that technological advancement should go hand in hand with the disappearance of religion and if that's not the case technology looses it's value? And the massacres are happening because of religion?

Technological advancement does go hand in hand with the disappearance of religion, it just needs to shift few gears up already! Massacres are happening due to low standards of living, and some religious individuals play on it, as they always did, lying about a better "next" life. Every word, that comes out of every preacher - is a dangerous lie! Even more dangerous if they really believe in all that nonsense, although the clever ones, tend to mention the "allegorical nature" of their religious writings. But, of cause, when you live in a state of utter poverty, it is much more tempting to trust yourself in the hands of some invisible deity, rather than accept your life for what it is - a pitiful, joyless, unpleasant duty, that will end prematurely and without any cause or deeper meaning...
 
So instead of spending countless resources and time, on sending someone to Mars, I, personally, would use these resources on feeding and educating poor countries. Not for free of cause, but only if they accept and embrace the values of western civilization. No need to feed and educate someone, who will use their energy and knowledge to build a religious stone-age society.
Might be more emotions than sense here, but i really, really hate every written religion of human history!
 
As for technology losing it's value, i was referring to "moral value". If you are a starving two year old kid, how many fucks do you give about Mars and IPhone 6?.. Both are only interesting if you have everything, and are bored with everything.
 
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Re: Mars One
« Reply #53 on: June 04, 2013, 05:51:40 pm »
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I don't think religions as in moral authorities will survive very long around the world as long as the values of the 17th century enlightment are re-discovered and not directly imported from the West "without legitimacy".

As for the argument that science kills god, you just have to ask the question "does god exist ?" and answer it using scientific methodology : "do I need god to explain what I see ?" and the short answer is "no you don't". All gods of all human mythologies are like that.

The same reasoning millenias ago would have been in favor of the existence of gods with tangible powers and their own independant human-like behavior.

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Re: Mars One
« Reply #54 on: June 04, 2013, 06:00:50 pm »
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Technological advancement does go hand in hand with the disappearance of religion, it just needs to shift few gears up already! Massacres are happening due to low standards of living, and some religious individuals play on it, as they always did, lying about a better "next" life. Every word, that comes out of every preacher - is a dangerous lie! Even more dangerous if they really believe in all that nonsense, although the clever ones, tend to mention the "allegorical nature" of their religious writings. But, of cause, when you live in a state of utter poverty, it is much more tempting to trust yourself in the hands of some invisible deity, rather than accept your life for what it is - a pitiful, joyless, unpleasant duty, that will end prematurely and without any cause or deeper meaning...
 
So instead of spending countless resources and time, on sending someone to Mars, I, personally, would use these resources on feeding and educating poor countries. Not for free of cause, but only if they accept and embrace the values of western civilization. No need to feed and educate someone, who will use their energy and knowledge to build a religious stone-age society.
Might be more emotions than sense here, but i really, really hate every written religion of human history!
 
As for technology losing it's value, i was referring to "moral value". If you are a starving two year old kid, how many fucks do you give about Mars and IPhone 6?.. Both are only interesting if you have everything, and are bored with everything.
 
Mkay, i can go on like this forever, no need to encourage me. My shift is up, time to go home, and spend my evening in sweet delight!

Won't happen, religion seems endemic to humanity. If it isn't a "God", it is replaced with some other ideology, where the same mechanisms of groupthink morality and untouchable "sacred cows" is enforced. Might as well wish for workable anarchy, when it's obvious that humans always, ALWAYS arrange themselves in pyramidal hierarchies, no matter the context. Religion in it's most base expression is simply trying to apply a set of patterns (basically the way humans think about everything) to things that we cannot explain otherwise. As soon as it develops beyond the individual it becomes just another form of communal glue that separates the world between "my group" and "the rest".
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Re: Mars One
« Reply #55 on: June 04, 2013, 06:13:03 pm »
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Well yeah you can end religions as we know them but we will stay human for longer than that.

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Re: Mars One
« Reply #56 on: June 04, 2013, 08:07:45 pm »
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No. I've won already.