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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1200 on: January 06, 2016, 03:13:35 pm »
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The arguments don't matter, as if they refuse to refund your money your only legal recourse is a lawsuit.  Unless, you are out several thousand dollars its likely not worth the time and money to go that rout.  Thus a class action would be your only viable option.

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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1201 on: January 06, 2016, 03:20:04 pm »
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Everything about this project is childish, their work, their way of communication, people who invested the most are basically manchildren with some money they have thrown at Chris Roberts. Why they don't give refunds? Because they believe there is organized campaign against them led by Derek Smart and Goons, which isn't far from truth. But not everybody is asking for refund because he believes in shit Derek Smart is posting on twitter. There are much bigger issues with this project than what Mr Pre-Internet Troll and bunch of neckbeards are calling out.

Roberts wife, who by her own words created this whole cult and is responsible for project being successful, is claiming that she is the most formally educated person in the company. She is former B movie actress... If I was some dude with university degree and maybe even PhD in Physics and worked for them, would definitely seek for a new job opportunity, rather than listen to overinflated ego of some failed actress who got her diploma by attending some night school/college. That's from employees perspective. From backers perspective, that statement is massive red flag. Because if she truly is the most capable person working on Star Citizen, then how can we expect it ever to become playable? Unless you're delusional like Xant and believe current build deserves to be called playable...

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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1202 on: January 06, 2016, 03:23:53 pm »
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Thus a class action would be your only viable option.

Smart said something about class action not being possible anymore, because some federal law changed or whatever. Probably not correct, because he is known to say a lot of bullshit.

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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1203 on: January 06, 2016, 03:34:36 pm »
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Smart said something about class action not being possible anymore, because some federal law changed or whatever. Probably not correct, because he is known to say a lot of bullshit.

Yea, that's not true.  Though I am not an expert on class actions Rule 23 is still in existence https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_23 .  There may be new statues limiting it but that would take a good amount of research to determine.  For these purposes if anyone is serious about perusing that route contact a lawyer who does that sort of thing.

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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1204 on: January 06, 2016, 05:24:45 pm »
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Since I'm called out to be lackey of Derek Smart, heres third post in a row. This one's gold, although a bit longer than previous:

http://imgur.com/a/BIlWu
Yeah, have fun reading 50+ emails from a LLJK/Goon retard pretending to be respectful and then turning around and going LOL IM MAKING THIS PUBLIC HAHAHA in a classic LLJK fashion.

Then again I wonder why they don't just refund - no matter the reason why a customer wants a refund.
Because of Derek Smart. They WERE refunding everyone, but why would they continue letting Derek Smart's smear campaign bleed them money? He's the reason they stopped.
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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1205 on: January 06, 2016, 05:41:37 pm »
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So Derek Smart forced them to stop issuing refunds like normal, respectful companies do? That doesn't make much sense.

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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1206 on: January 06, 2016, 05:46:49 pm »
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They weren't forced to do anything. They chose to stop issuing refunds. They have no obligation to refund people. The vast majority of people asking for refunds wouldn't get a refund on Steam either, since they've sunk far more than 2 hours into the game already...

And certainly wouldn't get a refund from most "normal companies"; Steam's refund policy is one of the most lax ones.
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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1207 on: January 06, 2016, 05:50:14 pm »
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Because of Derek Smart. They WERE refunding everyone, but why would they continue letting Derek Smart's smear campaign bleed them money? He's the reason they stopped.
But that's what you're saying. Some guy made them stop issuing refunds lol.

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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1208 on: January 06, 2016, 05:51:11 pm »
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But that's what you're saying. Some guy made them stop issuing refunds lol.
Yes, I was saying what I was saying... very good. And?
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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1209 on: January 06, 2016, 05:52:06 pm »
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This whole business is childish from both sides.

I'll happily wait it out and see what the game eventually develops into. But those who sunk their money into it so early and now want refunds are idiots. What did they seriously expect when backing a kickstarter and even later so far before release and before there was anything tangible to show? If pre-orders of AAA games haven't taught people by now not to do it then they deserve to get burned.

Regardless, a game of that scale and ambition was never going to be a quick turn around. It's been in development since what, 2011? Other games of smaller scale have taken longer. I think too many are used to the big game developer style of churning a title out every year and have unrealistic expectations.

If it does turn out to be a massive flop and a waste of money then they can only blame themselves for backing something so early.

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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1210 on: January 06, 2016, 05:54:14 pm »
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It doesn't make much sense that some guy like Derek Smart would make them stop issuing refunds. If anything, they are hurting their own credibility and image with that.

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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1211 on: January 06, 2016, 05:58:43 pm »
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So Derek Smart forced them to stop issuing refunds like normal, respectful companies do? That doesn't make much sense.

Some people asked for a refund from Frontier, because they didn't implement offline mode which was part of original Kickstarter pitch. Don't think any of them got positive response. Giving out refunds is more a special case.

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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1212 on: January 06, 2016, 05:59:01 pm »
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It doesn't make much sense that some guy like Derek Smart would make them stop issuing refunds. If anything, they are hurting their own credibility and image with that.
Why doesn't it make sense? Why would they want to keep losing money because Derek Smart has a lot of free time and a mental illness? There's no way for them to combat Derek, they tried once and it backfired, just giving him more attention. The best thing to do is stop issuing refunds and ignore him. It's your opinion it's hurting their "credibility and image", one not shared by everyone.

Regardless, a game of that scale and ambition was never going to be a quick turn around. It's been in development since what, 2011? Other games of smaller scale have taken longer. I think too many are used to the big game developer style of churning a title out every year and have unrealistic expectations.
It's really been in development since 2013. Before Kickstarter they just built a quick mock-up with no functional gameplay. Then after KS, they had to get a studio started and hire people, etc. It hasn't been developed for long at all, considering its scale.
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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1213 on: January 06, 2016, 06:11:00 pm »
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I'm sure you wouldn't share any opinion that is in any way negative of RSI, but it does appear there are quite enough people that see this as a childish, petty reaction.

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Re: Star Citizen
« Reply #1214 on: January 06, 2016, 06:13:20 pm »
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It's really been in development since 2013. Before Kickstarter they just built a quick mock-up with no functional gameplay. Then after KS, they had to get a studio started and hire people, etc. It hasn't been developed for long at all, considering its scale.

In that case the backlash and witch hunt is even more ridiculous.