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Javelins, do they need a buff?

No
12 (16.9%)
Yes, slightly more damage
14 (19.7%)
Yes, 1 more javelin per stack (maybe a reduction in damage if used)
35 (49.3%)
Yes, Reduce the cost but change nothing
6 (8.5%)
Yes, other (please state in thread)
4 (5.6%)

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[BALANCE] Javelins
« on: October 04, 2012, 02:39:13 pm »
+5
Javelins are seriously lacking compared to their bigger brothers, the jarids. While the jarids are strong (for throwing :P ), javelins are weaker (suprisingly despite only 6 difference in pierce), way weaker than they should be for the price. It takes me 3 javelins in the chest of a medium armoured cavalry man, charging towards me (so speed bonus) for him to die. I realise I am using 5 pt, but there is 145 wpf and mw javelins going into that armour :P

I suggest that some sort of buff be applied to javelins (at least). Maybe a damage increase, or add 1 more javelin per stack or even just lower the price to match the cost.

Yes this is a buff that would help me out, but at the same time I think many would agree that javelins are under represented in crpg.

Edit : throwing spears look a little weak as well, they could definitely do with a price reduction imo.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2012, 02:45:40 pm by Lorenzo_of_Iberia »
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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2012, 04:43:29 pm »
+1
Throwing spears are good, got 4 ammo, jarrids and javs got 3.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2012, 07:12:41 pm »
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Javelins have better accuracy dont they? And with the low requirement they can be used with a low PT build.. Throwing spears have 4 ammo which is nasty.
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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2012, 07:43:58 pm »
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I've used all the throwing weapons and with the random accuracy of throwing and the large cross hair, the accuracy increase is very little tbh, almost unnoticable
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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2012, 10:33:50 pm »
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I've used all the throwing weapons and with the random accuracy of throwing and the large cross hair, the accuracy increase is very little tbh, almost unnoticable
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1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2012, 10:58:43 pm »
+2
So you use javelins and cant afford or be able to use some of higher tier throwing weapons  :?:

Thus you feel a need to buff your own weapon  :lol:

No..... just no....

Its a bit like saying you would want [Insert Random lower tier 1h/2h/polearm an make it better than its higher tier counterpart]
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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2012, 10:59:52 pm »
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So you use javelins and cant afford or be able to use some of higher tier throwing weapons  :?:

Thus you feel a need to buff your own weapon  :lol:

No..... just no....
Actually you're wrong here, he uses javs because he's in love with how they look and he got them 3+'d.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2012, 11:48:10 pm »
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Javelins are my thing, the other pierce throwing weapons never appealed. I'm asking for them to be reviewed because I think that they are not nearly worth the money atm. Simple as, just like the wakazashi isn't worth the gold to use :P

Plus I am not asking it to be better than jarids or throwing spears, just closer to them in competetiveness. If Javelins were better than them then I'd ask for a nerf :P
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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2012, 11:50:50 pm »
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No extra damage, but I think an extra missile per stack would be fair.

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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2012, 11:52:02 pm »
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All throwing could use a ammo buff but dont forget throwing is the most hated item class ingame by devs so dont count your hopes for a buff
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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2012, 12:31:28 am »
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throwing need more ammo or less prize
that class is a lite bit unbalanced imo.
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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2012, 08:11:55 pm »
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Javelins are pretty weak, but they shouldn't be buffed in power to compete with jarids.

I think boosting ammo to 4 would be fair, so they have more appeal as a skirmishing weapon, while jarid is more of a stopping weapon.

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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2012, 08:13:53 pm »
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I suggest buffing ammo to 5 and then lowering damage somewhat, it'd make it viable without making it a copy of a jarid or a throwing spear.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2012, 02:16:12 am »
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I suggest buffing ammo to 5 and then lowering damage somewhat, it'd make it eviable without making it a copy of a jarid or a throwing spear.

Yes this. Make it the next step in damage from wardarts and the next step down in ammo count.

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Re: [BALANCE] Javelins
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2012, 09:15:16 am »
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I dunno, javelins are in line with the pricing of heavy throwing axes. If you want one more per stack, upgrade to throwing spears. If you want more damage, upgrade to jarids. Invest more money and skill points to have a better item option  :?: :?: :?:
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