Mega-Alliances: Who's To Blame, What To Do?

[RamsesXXIIX]

UIF dont have forum warriors =)

Oh you do try Cicero. You're just not very good at it.

I expected to find a solution or similar, since you wrote "What to do?". Meh, didn't find any of that. Any ideas?

btw, the only reason I'm -1ing the op is because:

Clans who also had shit experiences dealing with people like Fallen, Templars, Shogunate, The Northern Empire, and many other factions that were all about lying and manipulating players or cheating and exploiting game mechanics to win.  They had common enemies with us, and only together did we come close to having a chance to win a war.

This is a lie.

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On another note, I do agree with some of what Smooth says. There are some really cool people in the UIF, and I've enjoyed whatever time I've had with them. I don't hate anybody from the UIF, as I find it silly to hate anybody from something as unimportant as a game.

[LordBerenger]

Oh you do try Cicero. You're just not very good at it.

I expected to find a solution or similar, since you wrote "What to do?". Meh, didn't find any of that. Any ideas?

btw, the only reason I'm -1ing the op is because:

This is a lie.

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On another note, I do agree with some of what Smooth says. There are some really cool people in the UIF, and I've enjoyed whatever time I've had with them. I don't hate anybody from the UIF, as I find it silly to hate anybody from something as unimportant as a game.

Is that why you got carpet bombed by chadz? Derp

[Vibe]

Is that why you got carpet bombed by chadz? Derp

Did we get bombed in strat 2.0?

[Cicero]

Did we get bombed in strat 2.0?

Alaaddin fucked you up =)

[Mayzer]

The Green Machine.

[Rikthor]

Did we get bombed in strat 2.0?

No you got bombed in 3.0 which has nothing to do with Smoothrich's assertion Fallen has lied and tried manipulating clans. Try again or should we bring up how you Fallen lied about your Northern Empire payoff to not merc for LLJK?

[Teeth]

Is that why you got carpet bombed by chadz? Derp

Ahahaha, carbet bombed, good one!

Now Smooth, what you describe in the OP, sounds like some good Strategus gameplay, except the lying, crying and cheating parts. There was dynamic diplomacy going on. Secret conspiracies, reactions and what not. That is what Strategus should be like. Machiavellian power politics. That is not at all what is going on now. Last Strat was stale as fuck, this Strat is stale as fuck. Cause everyone claims they are going to start with a clean slate, but a week later they are in the same fucking alliance occupying the same fucking territory.

I can already predict the rest of this Strat diplomacy wise. The one alliance is going to fight the other alliance. That is it. Pure staleness. Everybody is such good friends with their alliance bromies and the other side are all cheating bastards. Well I've been in a lot of teamspeaks and everyone is a nice guy in the end, save the one or two actual psycho's. Stop carrying grudges about a game, chill out and ally with someone else for a change.

Or even better. How about you clans man up and fight on your own for a change? I am in a faction with 17 members and we are attacking anyone in our way. We're having a blast and when we lose we will smile and congratulate the opponents. A clan that breaks free from their carebear alliance and then gets beat, deserves a whole load more respect than those pussies holding hands so they can't lose.

One of you clans must have some balls. Do it. You know its possible to backstab eachother in Strategus without being mad at eachother for the next three Strats?

[Vibe]

No you got bombed in 3.0 which has nothing to do with Smoothrich's assertion Fallen has lied and tried manipulating clans. Try again or should we bring up how you lied about your Northern Empire payoff to not merc for LLJK?

Well it was not me who brought up the bombing, as for the rest I'll  just stay out of this because I'm rather clueless about Strat 2.0

[Rikthor]

Well it was not me who brought up the bombing, as for the rest I'll  just stay out of this because I'm rather clueless about Strat 2.0

Fair enough, I should have said Fallen instead of you specifically

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Now Smooth, what you describe in the OP, sounds like some good Strategus gameplay, except the lying, crying and cheating parts. There was dynamic diplomacy going on. Secret conspiracies, reactions and what not. That is what Strategus should be like. Machiavellian power politics. That is not at all what is going on now. Last Strat was stale as fuck, this Strat is stale as fuck. Cause everyone claims they are going to start with a clean slate, but a week later they are in the same fucking alliance occupying the same fucking territory.

SgtTeeth what Smoothrich was describing is pretty much what you are railing against, 9-10 clans or whatever the final tally was joining up to make a mega-alliance to wipe us out. Thanks to game design and Superior Goon Tactics™ we survived, but I would think you agree 10 clans to make an alliance is the exact problem?

[RamsesXXIIX]

No you got bombed in 3.0 which has nothing to do with Smoothrich's assertion Fallen has lied and tried manipulating clans. Try again or should we bring up how you Fallen lied about your Northern Empire payoff to not merc for LLJK?

I'm very interested in this particular story, because I think you got it wrong. What is your point of view?

[Rikthor]

I'm very interested in this particular story, because I think you got it wrong. What is your point of view?

So you didn't get paid by Ecko who was the leader of the Northern Empire to stop mercing for us as the Fallen Archer brigade? That's my point of view that was confirmed. I would like to hear your story of how that's not what happened.

[Harafat]

Fallen "-" team is engaging smooth

Its not possible to talk about truth which is two sided as always anyway this thread will be spammed to death ; you know why ?

UIF dont have forum warriors =)

And that shows how we play the game =)

I suggest we ALL stop playing strat alltogether. In that way THIS guy will actually shut up.

[Teeth]

Fair enough, I should have said Fallen instead of you specifically

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SgtTeeth what Smoothrich was describing is pretty much what you are railing against, 9-10 clans or whatever the final tally was joining up to make a mega-alliance to wipe us out. Thanks to game design and Superior Goon Tactics™ we survived, but I would think you agree 10 clans to make an alliance is the exact problem?

Yes, ofcourse it's on a way too big scale. But atleast these alliances was formed with a clear goal, wiping out LLJK. Then a counter alliance was formed by LLJK, to ensure survival and beat the aggressors. Atleast those were purposeful alliances, instead of the 'let's all hold hands so no one can ever attack us unless they make an enormous alliance themselves' approach. If those alliances would've been disbanded for the next Strat, if everyone would've actually started with a clean slate and if people wouldn't hold grudges over a game, the next round of Strat wouldn't have been doomed.

It is too easy to just join with all the other factions to have an easier time, Smoothrich is right in that the forming of the first enormous alliance is where it started to go wrong. What actually killed Strategus though, is not disbanding the counter alliance for the next Strat.

That's how its always been before, and how all alliances should be.  No need to be paralysed in fear and inaction, or to only attack smaller clans in 5 to 1 stomps, or to proxy war by funnelling endless supplies to another clan so they faceroll themsleves to a win.  NA or EU, alliance or independent, vassal or master, play the game, fight some battles, and have fun, you pussies.

Sadly that is exactly what UIF did in Strat 3 and they would do it again in Strat 4, werent it that all the remaining clans did the sensible, but cowardly thing to make their own mega alliance. UIF are quite the pussies. All the other big clans pussied out of fighting the mega alliance on their own. The only non pussies now are the UDNWSFLC and some other very small groups of players. YEAH!

(which ofcourse will amount to the quick destruction of the UDNWSFLC, but atleast we have our dignity)

[CrazyCracka420]

Well in NA there have been a lot of diplomatic talks between a lot of different factions.  As well as lots of different options for new alliances, new friends, new trading partners, new defense pacts, and new enemies.  As well as unfriendly factions working together due to common interests. 

*EDIT* Smaller factions have to weigh the pro's and con's of being independent with no diplomatic agreements with a large faction that is a neighbor. 

Currently there are quite a few factions who control 5 or less fiefs.  NH, Fallen, Remnant, FIDLGB (or w/e they're called this strat), Papal guard, Astralis, and I'm sure others as well.  It just makes sense for these people to make friends (not necessarily allies) with the larger neighbors.  At minimum they should be talking to them.  We can all see the potential risks of not being in diplomatic talks with your neighbors. 

[Sandersson Jankins]

Being "The Pale Horsemen" now (oooooh 2spooky4u), we've got 2 fief and a castle and are going to be playing bandits this time. Basically, if folks come near us with shit we want, we're probably going to kill them and take their nice things. We're quite small so we run the risk of pissing someone off and inviting death and destruction to our home. But that's just fine, really. I dig being the under-dog and fighting for FREEDOM and whatnot against much larger forces. Being rick-rolled off the map last strategus by hospitaller was a good time for me. Short time, but it was fun.