Author Topic: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?  (Read 6359 times)

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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2011, 01:44:21 pm »
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I do not understand people who whine about everything before any announcement.

Wait and See !!!!
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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2011, 01:57:50 pm »
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Heirloom theft...

Didn't think of that, but it could solve quite some problems.

Thanks for the suggestion (Also please post suggestions in the suggestion forum in the future).
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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2011, 03:33:15 pm »
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Most heirlooms aren't really a problem. People with a lot of heirlooms have an advantage, but they have played a lot more and should be rewarded for their energy imo.

Personally, I can't play a lot and this weekend I can retire for the second time after the "big patch" where I started with a level 20 something character. Took me a good 3 months to get from level 20 to 31 and from 1 back to 31 again...

That's a grand total of 2 heirlooms I got. Would suck for me to lose that, since I consider that my personal achievement.

I would love to be able to redo my heirlooms though. I have a MW sidesword now, heirloomed it cuz it seemed like a good idea at the time.
Now everyone uses the damned thing, so I'd rather heirloom something else (SCS or something).
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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2011, 03:33:57 pm »
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I'd actually be pleased if heirlooms were stolen again. I think there are way too many heirloomed weapons and horses out there, and retiring is too easy, especially on high gens (and that is ridiculous, it should become harder and harder, not the other way around). If I loose my heirloomed stuff in the process, no problem. Some people are gonna be hurt much more than me, and I think it's right to stop the madness with masterwork heavy lances and champion sarranid horses everywhere.

On top of that, I think it would be better if retirement wasn't really the better option, but leveling. So people that actually like the feature itself and not the bonuses it gives so much would do it, stat padders would not. Having heirloomed stuff should not mean "being a nolifer and having a massive advantage", but should mean "spending time to be more stylish/have pride in another way".

In many MMO's (I'm not pretending cRPG is one, this is just an example), people actually pay in real or virtual currency to have unique looks, without any bonuses to stats. Even if heirlooming something doesn't change it's appearance, it's some kind of meta-pride some players want to have, or spend time for.

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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2011, 03:42:52 pm »
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How am I ruining everything? I dont see anyone else on the battlefield like myself or anyone constantly switching from pure archer to pure melee.

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knklxdnlkvnlkvnyou're better than me in melee and I just need an excuse as to why that is.




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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2011, 03:50:37 pm »
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Oh boy , here we go again...

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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2011, 04:12:27 pm »
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I hope it's a heirloom cap instead of a reduction because I am a strong supporter of heirlooms caps (gen 20, 15 heirlooms).

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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2011, 04:21:48 pm »
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The whining is so great, the tears so delicious, it's making me even more anxious for the new patch.
Who cares about heirlooms? They don't make you a better player, remove all heirlooms who cares.
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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2011, 04:30:26 pm »
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Yeah.
Two options:

1. Delete all heirlooms and dont allow anyone to heirloom anything again.
2. Keep it as it is.

I dont want to make the same masterwork again for the second time. (For some it would be the third time)

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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2011, 04:38:33 pm »
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ya know, this is part of the fun, i grind to level 31, i'm rewarded with an heirloom, heirlooms aren't always overpowered, i've only loomed middle tier weopons and armour anyway, the armour is a great help since i only have 1 iron flesh...
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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2011, 05:06:21 pm »
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Atleast let us people with 1-2 heirlooms keep one, fucking lame starting from zero again...
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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2011, 05:07:09 pm »
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Heirloom is a nice feature, but here the problem is that each retirement makes the next one easier.

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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2011, 05:11:39 pm »
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there's nothing wrong with that, i was only around gen 3 before the before the last patch, now i'm gen 12, i've already lost 3 modifiers, i've put in all this time and effort to get to gen 12, anyways, we'll see what happens, if it happens, it happens, if not, then good...
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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2011, 05:22:48 pm »
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I dont see anyone else on the battlefield like myself
and what about the clone army?

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Re: Heirlooms/3 again thought of this?
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2011, 05:52:21 pm »
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there's nothing wrong with that, i was only around gen 3 before the before the last patch, now i'm gen 12, i've already lost 3 modifiers, i've put in all this time and effort to get to gen 12, anyways, we'll see what happens, if it happens, it happens, if not, then good...

Let's say you took X time to go from gen 3 to gen 12.
We can consider X as a sum of
G, G being the xp needed for one run from 1 to 31,
divided by Sg, the amount of xp you win per time unit at a given g generation.

We can say Sg = 1 + 0,1 * (g-1), so Sg means the xp multi you get from retirements

Going from gen 3 to 12 takes you

X = G/1,2 + G/1,3 + G/1,4 ... + G/2 time units

1,2 is the xp multiplier of gen 3 and 2 is the xp multi of gen 11
Let's simplify this X roughly :

X = 1/2 (1,67G + 1,54G + 1,43G + 1,33G + 1,25G + 1,18G + 1,11G + 1,05G + G)
X = 5,78 G

So if I didn't do errors with the calc, your 9 "1 to 31" runs took you a little less time than 6 of these at gen 1.

That means that even at low gens like 3 or 12 (still low), your xp bonus is very important and makes your leveling way faster (1/3 less time here). Some people (please post to get your proper credit  :)) estimated that the shortest way to level 40 was first to grind around 4300 generations, and then start leveling.

"All this time and effort" to retire isn't really true, because it's the best choice you can do in the game anyway, and each time you complete a gen, it becomes easier.