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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2011, 11:53:11 am »
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i liked it very much. i played for 2 rounds and it was quite exciting. better than the last ones

+1. i played for 3 rounds and enjoyed much  8-)
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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #76 on: April 17, 2011, 12:21:33 pm »
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Well, maybe a separate ladder for the more "fun"-oriented tournaments? That way, you could actually experiment more freely, without worrying about balance that much.

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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #77 on: April 17, 2011, 01:15:29 pm »
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Well, maybe a separate ladder for the more "fun"-oriented tournaments? That way, you could actually experiment more freely, without worrying about balance that much.

Well tbh i would put it this way:
1. Teamwork (it was great in 2nd qualifiers)
2. Skill
3. Luck
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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #78 on: April 17, 2011, 02:07:03 pm »
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Well tbh i would put it this way:
1. Teamwork (it was great in 2nd qualifiers)
2. Skill
3. Luck

teamwork ... how can you teamwork when other clans don't listen to you ? :x
skill, it was more of a clusterfuck than a fight
luck is obviously main factor :)

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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2011, 02:12:59 pm »
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Simply by using common sense and helping your teammates by stabbing the enemies in the back, suddenly flanking from the center to the right or left.
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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2011, 02:14:12 pm »
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Well, maybe a separate ladder for the more "fun"-oriented tournaments? That way, you could actually experiment more freely, without worrying about balance that much.

Why are you guys so obssesed about the ladder? The fallen trournaments were from the very beggining advertised as a fun tournaments. As far as I gathered, this tournament was fun, both to watch and play.
There is Shogunate tournament now, with more rounds, so the luck factor in minimal. You can freely measure your epeens there.

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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2011, 02:18:08 pm »
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try doing it against greys + my old friends/turks/str, mostly when you have ninjas with you :x and when you tell something to the other clans and they don't listen to you

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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #82 on: April 17, 2011, 02:21:09 pm »
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I agree this system was the worst so farm imo, heck even the 4v4v4 was better...
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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #83 on: April 17, 2011, 02:37:38 pm »
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heck even the 4v4v4 was better...

Gotta be kidding?

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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #84 on: April 17, 2011, 02:59:42 pm »
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How about you guys stop crying about the tournament point system, it's just a tournament for fun and Punisher & Beauchamp invest loads of time in it and you people just bitch about the fallen clan ladder... So if you don't like it don't come.

We didn't go at the 4v4v4 either because we didn't like that.
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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #85 on: April 17, 2011, 03:41:24 pm »
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I am not crying. It is just that the fallen clan ladder has been a somewhat "serious" tournament ladder. This would kind of destroy its credibility in that sense. Having 2 separate ladders - one for the "serious" tournaments and one for the "fun" tournaments would solve the problem.

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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #86 on: April 17, 2011, 04:00:57 pm »
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How about you guys stop crying about the tournament point system, it's just a tournament for fun and Punisher & Beauchamp invest loads of time in it and you people just bitch about the fallen clan ladder... So if you don't like it don't come.

We didn't go at the 4v4v4 either because we didn't like that.

criticism is allowed, isn t it ? :x

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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2011, 04:08:29 pm »
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Criticism? Never.  :)
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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #88 on: April 17, 2011, 04:20:09 pm »
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I am not crying. It is just that the fallen clan ladder has been a somewhat "serious" tournament ladder. This would kind of destroy its credibility in that sense. Having 2 separate ladders - one for the "serious" tournaments and one for the "fun" tournaments would solve the problem.

Meh, the point system itself changed in between the tournaments, how does that go with the so called credibility? Fighting in the first two (I think) tournaments gave winners more points then in the followings. Hardly fair. Also, I don't remember the Fallens every said it's supposed to be "serious" ladder, just because there were some tournys that in your book fals into serious category doesn't make it so.

And lastly, why do we even discuss this? The Shogunate tournament seems way more serious to me than this, go prove yourselves there.

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Re: all cRPG CLAN FALLEN TOURNAMENT (number 06)
« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2011, 04:33:14 pm »
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Meh, the point system itself changed in between the tournaments, how does that go with the so called credibility? Fighting in the first two (I think) tournaments gave winners more points then in the followings. Hardly fair. Also, I don't remember the Fallens every said it's supposed to be "serious" ladder, just because there were some tournys that in your book fals into serious category doesn't make it so.

The point system never changed, the formula was always LP = (number of clans in the tournament X number of clans in the tournament - final place + 1 X size of clanteams). The first tournaments actually gave less points than the latest ones because of the lower number of clans who participated, but the formula was always the same.

Well, maybe a separate ladder for the more "fun"-oriented tournaments? That way, you could actually experiment more freely, without worrying about balance that much.

Some qualifiers will be in the classic clan vs clan format, some will be in new formats we want to test (like the 4v4v4 or the current 5x3 vs 5x3), so sometimes luck might play a more important role. Looking back at the past 5 tournaments, every time the best clans went to the finals (with very few exceptions when they were penalized). Finals will always be in a clan vs clan format, as balanced as possible so I see no reason not to award ladder points to the current tournament or to future ones where new qualifying systems might be tried.

As I said before, it would be a lot easier for me as organiser to make the same classic 2 groups clan vs clan qualifiers, than 1 group for finals but this would soon lead to routine and boredom.
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