Cmpx, you know why I am asking for it. Come here and see my suggestion.

[Tydeus]

So essentially the bows/xbows most designed for long ranges with higher shoot speed are also the most inaccurate at those ranges (unless of course you use the glitch of shooting just before the reticules reach their smallest size and releasing (so no shots tracking opponents) and it will shoot dead on straight everytime, which is much easier with siege/heavy xbow or if you have low wpf, the longbow.  So the system favors glitching to get accuracy and those who use it legitimately are punished with randomized shots.

Does this work with throwing as well?

[Darkkarma]

God forbid.

[Cyclopsided]

>_>
Hide yo kids hide yo wife

[Keshian]

Does this work with throwing as well?

I think it works with all ranged, but the timing is easier the slower the draw speed (you want the second last shrinking point of the reticule as it goes down to its smallest size), so sniper xbow is the best and for bows the longbow.  Wasn't even an issue for archers except 13 powerdraw 1 wpf builds until the patch slowed down the draw rate.  I don't use it myself though i tried it a couple times to see if it worked and it worked with both sniper xbow and longbow (post-patch), with longbow you can often get the same effect by just clicking once and not holding down the mouse key to aim so it just fires off as soon as the bow is drawn in dead center of the reticule.  The problem with throwing right now is the draw rate is the same as archery was pre-patch if not faster so your timing would be really tough to pull off.  The point was that people using that glitch were not really benefitted before (except 1 wpf xbow users who still are), but now with bows BOTH with a slow draw speed and a bad tendency to veer off at an angle within the reticule, those people having practiced this a lot can shoot far more accurately than legitimate uses of the bow and with higher powerdraws.

All I am requesting is that we get rid of the randomization factor for archery so that is shoots like how the xbows currently shoot.

[Siiem]

Great idea educating people in how to do it -.-

[Cyclopsided]

Oh, and yeah it is really fucking hard for throwing, thank the heavens.
I really hate the glitch when used by xbows with 1 wpf, but let's stop and think about this for a second.

Scenario: You are really far away, running. You get shot and die to a headshot from someone using the accuracy exploit.

Ok. Let's examine this a bit. A person had perfect timing, perfect prediction on your movement, and perfect aim, calculating the exact drop amount to hit your head.
He didn't make a mistake in ANY one of those, if he did, he would have missed. It is literally the most skillful the shot could be.


Oh, and if they are anything close to mid range? If you try to hit a fancy timing window you are not only an asshole, you're a dead one.
If it does hit? Your still an asshole. Don't exploit.

[Camaris]

Ok. Let's examine this a bit. A person had perfect timing, perfect prediction on your movement, and perfect aim, calculating the exact drop amount to hit your head.
He didn't make a mistake in ANY one of those, if he did, he would have missed. It is literally the most skillful the shot could be.

More likely:

Scenario1: (Battle)
Round begins both team start... every ranged player shoots into direction of the other team.
Accidently some people got hit cause it was hard not to hit anything in this moment.
People start camping and shoot 5-10 Bolts with 1WPF at each other. One of those again hit by accident the enemy´s head... probably because you missed the target you where aiming at.

Scenario2: (Siege)
Ladder-> 0wpf crossbow -> shoot down -> profit

[Tears of Destiny]

Meh, Miley has proven to me many times that she can blow my head off with a 1 wpf crossbow and regularly... urksome when I have 154 wpf or more with an heirloomed bow... and being outshot by a dedicated 2her 

[Keshian]

Meh, Miley has proven to me many times that she can blow my head off with a 1 wpf crossbow and regularly... urksome when I have 154 wpf or more with an heirloomed bow... and being outshot by a dedicated 2her 

Thats kind of the point, by nerfing regular legitimate archery and xbowing, the glitching use became far more viable.  The  2 slot item patch should help a lot against these hybrids, but it would be nice if 1 wpf uses of weapons had a bigger nerf to damage than just doing 85% (not sure if true with other than melee weapons) of full damage like maybe only 50% of base damage.  The reason i even mentioned it is that at this point its actually rather prevalent so a significant population knows and uses it and maybe it something that can be programmed out in the next patch.  I am kind of tired of fighting against non-dedicated masterwork sniper xbow users that can pinpoint shot 1-2 shot kill me (and yes its actually more accurate than normal, you don't need absolutely perfect timing especially with slow weapons like longbow and sniper xbow) and when I tested it on the longbow and sniper xbow its similar to Horse archery with that almost magnetic curve to the nearest target, which makes it more accurate than a traditional archer.  I don't use it because I think it removes a lot of skill which is a fun part of cRPG, but I've seen the number of people using it steadily increasing since the patch (just observe their firing patterns), with entire clans using it with their xbow as a secondary 1 wpf weapon.

[Dravic]

Funny thing. not only I can't use my fav 1h weapons with my shielder build.

Now I have only 12 ammo with my xbow... haha!

Good joke...


And it rains MORE often? Great!

Quitting cRPG. In no time.

Bye.

[Tomas_of_Miles]

Funny thing. not only I can't use my fav 1h weapons with my shielder build.

Now I have only 12 ammo with my xbow... haha!

Good joke...


And it rains MORE often? Great!

Quitting cRPG. In no time.

Bye.

Use a hammer! There are a few 1h weapons that take no slots(like the hammer).
But yeah perhaps the Rhodok Sharpshooter build is official impossible now.

[Darkkarma]

Great idea educating people in how to do it -.-

Maybe then it will become an issue and will be removed in the near future rather than be some under the radar exploit.

The glass isn't always half empty, man!

[Tears of Destiny]

Maybe then it will become an issue and will be removed in the near future rather than be some under the radar exploit.

The glass isn't always half empty, man!

Any bowmen who is worth his or her salt already found this by accident, unless you lump in the "dabblers" who experiment with the class only for a short time, or the lucky unobservant few (bless them).

[Mullerian]

Any bowmen who is worth his or her salt already found this by accident, unless you lump in the "dabblers" who experiment with the class only for a short time, or the lucky unobservant few (bless them).

Thanks, i never noticed it and i did play an archer for 5 generations from gen1 and up. Im still having trouble making it work though

[Darkkarma]

Any bowmen who is worth his or her salt already found this by accident, unless you lump in the "dabblers" who experiment with the class only for a short time, or the lucky unobservant few (bless them).

I can name several decent to skilled archers/crossbowmen (including myself) that did not know of this patch.