Cmpx, you know why I am asking for it. Come here and see my suggestion.

[cmp]

What Nemeth said. It applies to weapons that are too big to be visible when sheathed (pocket pike, pocket flamberge...).

[Casimir]

For great justice this shalt be done

[17:57:29] <@cmpxchg8b> dunno if a heirloom reset is planned
[17:57:42] <Templar_Casimir> im against heirloom reset
[17:57:50] <Templar_Casimir> people who loom side swords / bar maces should be stuck with them
[17:57:53] <@cmpxchg8b> me too
[17:57:57] <@Meow> same here
[18:02:16] <Mylet> agreed

Unlucky fuckers!

[Izuza]

Warbow becoming 2 slots would be reason to drop it for a strong bow.
Mostly because I need the extra slot for arrows.

If only 2h/polearms would be 2 slots that'd cause me to grab a 1 hand without a second thought.
Sort of attached to my 2 slots of arrows.

[cmp]

Warbow becoming 2 slots would be reason to drop it for a strong bow.
Mostly because I need the extra slot for arrows.

We're not yet sure about making the top 2 (or 3) bows use 2 slots. If it comes to that, they will probably get a buff so they are a viable choice for "quality vs. quantity" archers.

[Beauchamp]

regarding bows
the situation atm is, that both strongbow and warbow are used by high lvl archers which is good.

if you make warbow 2 slots (which i like) and strongbow 1 slot, than immediately warbows becomes useless - imo this is not desired situation.

on contrary if you make strongbow 2 slots too we still will see both strongbows and warbows and in addition to that we might get to see more kinds of other bows on battlefield (khergit bow for example) as this will be a choice for those archers, that want to keep more arrows or better weapons.

if you plan to buff warbow damage while keeping 1 slot for strongbow, i'm fine with that too - but then i'm sure it won't bring archers with khergit bow (or nomad bow or whatever is below stongbow, i don't really remember). still it is a good option too imo, i somehow also dont really like relatively small strongbow to take 2 slots.

btw i heard somewhere that longbow is for 3 slots, but i suppose its BS and the original plan stays - same shooting speed, but some nasty piercing damage instead.

[Barracuda]

regarding bows
the situation atm is, that both strongbow and warbow are used by high lvl archers which is good.

if you make warbow 2 slots (which i like) and strongbow 1 slot, than immediately warbows becomes useless - imo this is not desired situation.

on contrary if you make strongbow 2 slots too we still will see both strongbows and warbows and in addition to that we might get to see more kinds of other bows on battlefield (khergit bow for example) as this will be a choice for those archers, that want to keep more arrows or better weapons.

if you plan to buff warbow damage while keeping 1 slot for strongbow, i'm fine with that too - but then i'm sure it won't bring archers with khergit bow (or nomad bow or whatever is below stongbow, i don't really remember). still it is a good option too imo, i somehow also dont really like relatively small strongbow to take 2 slots.

I don't think that making strong bow 2 slot weapon would increase the usage of khergit or nomad bow. Most strong bow users would probably go for warbow or longbow in that situation (me for example). I tried playing with khergit bow after archery nerf and I'd say the bow was completely useless. 7 PD and 5 arrows to kill a fellow archer in light armor was a bit too much - not to mention the projectile speed (or the lack of it).

[Camaris]

For great justice this shalt be done

[17:57:29] <@cmpxchg8b> dunno if a heirloom reset is planned
[17:57:42] <Templar_Casimir> im against heirloom reset
[17:57:50] <Templar_Casimir> people who loom side swords / bar maces should be stuck with them
[17:57:53] <@cmpxchg8b> me too
[17:57:57] <@Meow> same here
[18:02:16] <Mylet> agreed

Unlucky fuckers!

So too fuck up few you fuck up the rest too.
I dont have a problem with this because it doesnt hurt me.
Im pure 2h and so the new slotsystem doesnt affect my looms neither i loomed any of the op weapons.

But there are also players which didnt heirloom those weapons and will be very much affected by those changes.
If you dont allow respec of heirlooms just to fuck up those op-players i dont think you have chosen the right decision.

[Cup1d]

btw i heard somewhere that longbow is for 3 slots, but i suppose its BS and the original plan stays - same shooting speed, but some nasty piercing damage instead

23 piercing. yes, it would be overpowered archer weapon with 16 arrows and 48 speed.

Ive got even better idea, lets make longbow 4 slot weapon. just for lulz.

[cmp]

For great justice this shalt be done

[17:57:29] <@cmpxchg8b> dunno if a heirloom reset is planned
[17:57:42] <Templar_Casimir> im against heirloom reset
[17:57:50] <Templar_Casimir> people who loom side swords / bar maces should be stuck with them
[17:57:53] <@cmpxchg8b> me too
[17:57:57] <@Meow> same here
[18:02:16] <Mylet> agreed

Unlucky fuckers!

Just to clarify, when I say I'm against it I'm simply expressing my opinion. It's chadz' decision whether to reset them or not.

[JOPOTINTTI]

Hey all.

Some of you may know, some of you may not.

Anyway, short reason why I am posting my suggestion:

Siege and Heavy crossbows are going to take 2 slots. Same with Longbow and Warbow.

Since cmpx himself told, that he is working on NON-Strategus patch, that will be realised soon, I want to suggest something:

Buff crossbows, either only siege and heavy or all of them, because soon we, crossbowmen, won't be able to use neither 2h/polearm nor 1h+shield = 1h without shield. What means, that we will be weaker. So buff us to balance it out a bit, please.

Yeah , just nerf bows even more .... now we cant even have many arrows

[chadz]

Just to clarify, when I say I'm against it I'm simply expressing my opinion. It's chadz' decision whether to reset them or not.

I see what you did there

[Konrax]

These changes sound awesome and will add a lot of variety in builds and make people actually think about what they want to carry instead of just taking everything they want.

With regards to bows I like the idea that the longbow and warbow use 2 slots, but I also think that they should get a buff then since their only viable weapon choice would be a 1h weapon or the small 2h weapons (if indeed some of them are 1 slot).

I think really what you should look at for those bows that require 2 slots even would be to increase the speed at which the arrows travel, and maybe not so much the damage specifically. Make those 2 slot bows more of a sniper style weapon with good projectile speed that would in then make them more effective and accurate instead of just the run of the mill damage stats.

This way you can be an archer, or you can be a mutha&%^$^# ARCHER!

EDIT: That way the archers that feel that it really got nerfed because of that can once again gain some of that projectile speed back but at a cost.

[Darkkarma]

Are you serious? You guys are one-shotting anything short of plate with your heavy crossbows.

No.

[Banok]

there is absolutely zero reason to not offer hierloom respecs, other than to piss people off.

[Darkkarma]

For great justice this shalt be done

[17:57:29] <@cmpxchg8b> dunno if a heirloom reset is planned
[17:57:42] <Templar_Casimir> im against heirloom reset
[17:57:50] <Templar_Casimir> people who loom side swords / bar maces should be stuck with them
[17:57:53] <@cmpxchg8b> me too
[17:57:57] <@Meow> same here
[18:02:16] <Mylet> agreed

Unlucky fuckers!

Cold as ice