Cmpx, you know why I am asking for it. Come here and see my suggestion.

[Vibe]

OK, no xbow buffs...

HOWEVER, personally, I think that there has to be one buff for both archers and crossbowmen - more ammunition/stack. If someone is willing to use Sniper crossbow as a DEDICATED crossbowman, he can really easily run out of ammo. 175 wpf and I ran out of ammo during 1 4minutes round, what then should I do without good melee weapon and shield?

Pick them up from the ground

[Paul]

There will be a few 1 slot 2h weapons and polearms. The spiked mace is an example for that, the spear and shortened spear are for polearms. I hope to expand the 1 slot selection sometime but for that we need models. In my opinion non-hammer 2h handed weapons with a reach of 70-90 are perfect for the 1 slot thingy and polearms with about 100-130 reach.

[Beauchamp]

The idea of more slots for certain weapons is ingenious - I believe it will add A LOT to variety of the game, we will see more combinations of various weapons and less ranged spam (especially long distance spam). My archer Beau with warbow fully approves! (i take 1h weapon since beginning anyways and finally i will learn at what range it makes sense to shoot :o)

btw changing your heirlooms should be a must after the patch

[Dravic]

Yeah, now I see the point of this next patch.

[Erasmas]

I believe it will add A LOT to variety of the game, we will see more combinations of various weapons

How come? What you will see is 1h+shield and 2H only/mostly. It does not adding variety, on the contrary, it is for melee clash battle lovers... It is not good at all.

[Cyclopsided]

at first I was like "what is this what why would no I don't get what are you doing is this a troll"
But now I am like "Well, there better be an heirloom & character stat re-allocation on such a huge game impacting patch."
So far I'm Ok with all of what I hear. Would love to see some preliminary patch notes, even if they are not final.

[Native_ATS]

dude they will just be dicks and take 90% of your heirlooms and let you respect the 1 u have left...

[Nemeth]

FREEDOM!

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[17:45:42] <@Urist> shik, bamboo drop only but 2 slots
[17:47:20] <@Meow> hmm
[17:47:49] <@Meow> same for pike tbo. 3 slots for the only melee anti cav weapon is kinda hardcore if it will be your primary weapon
[17:47:53] <@Meow> if pike gets 3
[17:49:24] <@Meow> tbh even
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[17:53:39] <@cmpxchg8b> well, no-sheath is hardcore too
[17:53:50] <@Meow> i agree
[17:53:51] <@cmpxchg8b> this will be a pretty huge buff to cav
[17:54:02] <@cmpxchg8b> -> nerf cav
[17:54:03] <@Meow> that's why i think no-sheath should be 1 slot
[17:54:16] <@Meow> then again...
[17:54:22] <@Meow> that would fail with the flamberge and stuff
[17:54:28] <@Meow> also do you pay upkeep for the no sheath stuff?
[17:54:37] <@cmpxchg8b> of course
[17:54:44] <@Meow> k
[17:54:56] <@Meow> even if you drop it?
[17:55:09] <@cmpxchg8b> like it is now
[17:55:13] <@cmpxchg8b> you pay for items you spawn with
[17:55:16] <@Meow> k
[17:55:29] <@Meow> also autorepair forced on right?
[17:55:37] <@Meow> unrelated
[17:55:42] <@Meow> that is
[17:55:49] <@cmpxchg8b> dunno
[17:55:52] <@cmpxchg8b> chadz' stuff
[17:55:57] <@Meow> k
[17:56:06] <@cmpxchg8b> that bug should be already fixed though
[17:56:14] <@Meow> k
[17:56:16] <@cmpxchg8b> i think ch ad z wrote it in the forum
[17:56:37] <Templar_Casimir> Hey what about the long maul
[17:56:41] <Templar_Casimir> guessign that will be drop only?
[17:56:47] <@cmpxchg8b> i think so
[17:56:54] <@cmpxchg8b> either drop only or 3 slots
[17:57:06] <Templar_Casimir> so my 2 heirloomed weapons will be unusable together :L
[17:57:08] <Templar_Casimir> Goddamn
[17:57:29] <@cmpxchg8b> dunno if a heirloom reset is planned
[17:57:42] <Templar_Casimir> im against heirloom reset
[17:57:50] <Templar_Casimir> people who loom side swords / bar maces should be stuck with them
[17:57:53] <@cmpxchg8b> me too
[17:57:57] <@Meow> same here
[18:02:16] <Mylet> agreed
[18:03:25] <@Meow> not even for the part that people loomed op weapons but just for the fact that everyone will be using the same weapon after a day if they can just insta tripple loom it
[18:03:37] <Kophka> so, for example, how would this affect my load out : Battlefork, Shield, Javs x2
[18:03:49] <@Meow> 1x jav instead i'd say
[18:03:54] <Kophka> okay
[18:03:56] <@Meow> not knowing the slots
[18:04:00] <@Meow> just saying
[18:04:10] <Kophka> and my light xbow, longsword, boardshield, bolts guys?
[18:04:18] <@Meow> should be fine
[18:04:21] <@Meow> not sure any shield gets 2
[18:04:28] <@Meow> maybe hurscarl and board?
[18:04:32] <Kophka> hmm
[18:04:37] <@Meow> no idea tho
[18:04:38] <Kophka> so the xbow guy loses nothing
[18:04:39] <@Meow> but those are huge
[18:04:42] <Kophka> not cool
[18:04:54] <@Meow> light xbow
[18:05:05] <Braeden> Sniper / Heavy xbow two slots?
[18:05:13] <@Meow> not sure but i think
[18:05:51] <Braeden> Will my horse now require two horse slots?
[18:05:54] <Braeden> Its a big horse.
[18:06:03] <@Meow> 3
[18:06:15] <Kophka> how about my sidesword, heavy kite shield, heavy throwing axe, throwing spear guy?
[18:06:24] <@cmpxchg8b> sniper/heavy = 2 slots
[18:06:27] <@cmpxchg8b> board/huscarl = 2 slots
[18:06:32] <Braeden> He gets delete, Kophka, for sidesword carrying.
[18:06:36] <Braeden> *deleted
[18:06:41] <Kophka> sad, but well deserved
[18:06:44] <Shogunate_Arked> and bolts are 1 slot?
[18:06:48] <@cmpxchg8b> ofc
[18:06:53] <Kophka> if i had a character like that, I'd honestly expect it
[18:06:57] <Shogunate_Arked> 2h becoming 2 slots too?
[18:07:03] <@cmpxchg8b> yeah
[18:07:05] <@cmpxchg8b> maybe some of them 3
[18:07:06] <Shogunate_Arked> lol
[18:07:09] <Braeden> All or just the big ones?
[18:07:13] <@cmpxchg8b> all 2
[18:07:13] <Shogunate_Arked> so i cant use nodachi and xbow?
[18:07:18] <Kophka> oh, so the longsword = 2 slots?
[18:07:19] <@cmpxchg8b> maul/mallet/great maul 3
[18:07:22] <Kophka> awesome
[18:07:23] <Braeden> Even the tiny ones?
[18:07:26] <@Meow> not the big xbows
[18:07:30] <@cmpxchg8b> you can use nodachi and crossbow/light crossbow
[18:07:43] <Shogunate_Arked> dam
[18:07:46] <@Meow> flamberge 3 and no drop?
[18:07:48] <Shogunate_Arked> i loomed my sniper
[18:07:49] <@cmpxchg8b> just not heavy/siege
[18:07:50] <@Meow> err no sheath?
[18:08:22] <Kophka> i may sound like i'm bitching guys, but I honestly cannot wait to see the changes
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[18:08:29] <@cmpxchg8b> flamberge 2/3 and no-sheath i guess
[18:08:31] <Kophka> i'm just excited
[18:08:39] <@Meow> nice
[18:08:40] <@cmpxchg8b> well Kophka, i stil lhave to code them
[18:08:44] <Braeden> Spiked Mace 2 slots?
[18:08:45] <Kophka> poo
[18:08:53] <@cmpxchg8b> Braeden is it 2h?
[18:08:59] <Braeden> Yeah
[18:09:00] <Serfonz> Every single 2h going to be 2 / 3 slots?
[18:09:05] <@cmpxchg8b> yes
[18:09:06] <Braeden> But smaller than most 1h
[18:09:24] <Belmont> What about the 1/2 handed weapons?
[18:09:26] <@Meow> it's about balancing not really about looks
[18:09:29] <Belmont> Bastard, Longsword, Katana
[18:09:34] <@cmpxchg8b> right
[18:09:35] <@cmpxchg8b> length 70
[18:09:42] <@cmpxchg8b> that one may be put to 1
[18:09:46] <@cmpxchg8b> *might
[18:09:52] <@cmpxchg8b> Belmont, 2 probably
[18:10:11] <Braeden> Nice
[18:10:15] <Belmont> *looks for someone to trade a masterwork sniper*
[18:10:20] <Shogunate_Arked> same
[18:10:22] <Shogunate_Arked>
[18:10:25] <Kophka> should 100+, or 110+ be 2 slots maybe?
[18:10:33] <Braeden> You want to get rid of it, Belmont, or you want one?
[18:10:37] <Belmont> Rid of it
[18:10:37] <@cmpxchg8b> well, it's not length based only
[18:10:40] <Shogunate_Arked> we want to get rid
[18:10:42] <@Meow> no doing that by lenth is bs
[18:10:45] <@cmpxchg8b> 1hs won't be 2 slot
[18:10:45] <Braeden> I'll take it!
[18:10:45] <@Meow> lenght that is
[18:10:49] <Shogunate_Arked> maybe u want 2 braeden?
[18:10:53] <Shogunate_Arked>
[18:11:03] <Braeden> I'll give you 10k gold
[18:11:09] <Braeden> Thats totally fair.
[18:11:11] * Braeden eyeshifts
[18:11:25] <@cmpxchg8b> i doubt they want gold
[18:11:32] <Braeden> Oh wait! Fix strat at the same time as trading comes out.
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[18:11:37] <Braeden> So I can trade land for things.
[18:12:05] <Mylet> I evade a pike thrust and he still gets me by turning while it's extended -.-
[18:12:08] <@Meow> not sure there will be a secure trading system for land <--> items
[18:12:08] <Belmont> Oh yeah cmpx, will the trading system be in this patch or will that have to wait until the Strategus patch?
[18:12:30] <Braeden> Secure - schemure
[18:12:30] <@cmpxchg8b> i don't know much about the trading system tbh
[18:12:38] <@cmpxchg8b> i guess it's cha dz' stuff
[18:12:58] <Belmont> I see, thanks for the answer
[18:13:01] <@cmpxchg8b> haven't heard anything about it, so i doubt it's planned for this one
[18:13:02] <Nemeth> so basicly hybrids are now stuck with range/one hand
[18:13:03] <Nemeth> ?
[18:13:07] <@cmpxchg8b> yes
[18:13:10] <Nemeth> cool
[18:13:12] <Nemeth> im fine with that
[18:13:13] <@cmpxchg8b> ranged+sidearm
[18:13:20] <Nemeth> even though I suck with 1h
[18:13:28] <Braeden> Or lesser ranged as the sidearm
[18:13:33] <@cmpxchg8b> yep
[18:13:39] <Braeden> Basically hybrids have to prioritize
[18:13:45] <Nemeth> very good
[18:13:47] <Braeden> Unless they are throwers, in which case they have to loot.
[18:13:48] <+_Punisher> these slots changes are for the upcoming patch or for later?
[18:13:54] <@cmpxchg8b> upcoming hopefully
[18:13:58] <+_Punisher> would be awesome
[18:14:07] <@cmpxchg8b> i'll start coding tomorrow
[18:14:13] <@cmpxchg8b> so best case = done by tomorrow
[18:14:16] <+_Punisher> trading system coming now too ?
[18:14:17] <Nemeth> ^^
[18:14:29] <Braeden> He just answered that one, Punisher
[18:14:32] <Nemeth> afaik trading comes with strategus?
[18:14:34] <+_Punisher> sry, i was in-game
[18:14:36] <@cmpxchg8b> was the trading system announced by cha dz?
[18:14:46] <+_Punisher> he announced it a while ago
[18:14:49] <+_Punisher> like a month back
[18:14:52] <@cmpxchg8b> ah ok
[18:14:54] <@Meow> it was in the strategus sneak peak
[18:14:54] <@cmpxchg8b> missed that one
[18:15:03] <@Meow> i would say strategus not crpg patch
[18:15:07] <Shogunate_Arked> cmp, will throwng weapons still take 1 slot per stack? its weird that someone can carry 12 axes on him (if someone asked about that already, sorry)
[18:15:21] <Braeden> I can totally carry 12 axes IRL
[18:15:23] <@cmpxchg8b> most will
[18:15:25] <@Meow> can we stop using semi realism for balancing?
[18:15:48] <@cmpxchg8b> lances will be no-sheath i think
[18:15:50] <Kophka> javelins, 1 slot or 2?
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[18:15:54] <@cmpxchg8b> so effectively limited to 2
[18:15:54] <@Meow> nice
[18:16:02] <@cmpxchg8b> or 3 if we up ammo
[18:16:04] <@Meow> makes sense
[18:16:13] <+_Punisher> jarids should be 2 slots maybe
[18:16:21] <@cmpxchg8b> javelins and jarids, not sure yet whether 1 or 2
[18:16:44] <Kophka> javelins are pretty small in the hand

[18:34:44] <Nemeth> Sorry if was asked, but how is it with slotting with throwing weapons? Lances are drop only, do any other get more slots as well as 2h etc?
[18:34:54] <@cmpxchg8b> Nemeth, maybe spears and jarids get 2

[03:22:14] <karasu> how many slots on bows btw?
[03:22:27] <@cmpxchg8b> 2 on war/long, rest 1
[03:22:44] <@cmpxchg8b> not 100% sure yet though

Take that Mylet!

[Beauchamp]

you should publish expected changes - list of weapons with slot number and sheat option before coding it so you give players some 24hours for discussion.

[Beauchamp]

How come? What you will see is 1h+shield and 2H only/mostly. It does not adding variety, on the contrary, it is for melee clash battle lovers... It is not good at all.

you will see all kinds of xbows, all kinds of bows... (i'd make strong bow 2 slots too - even now some people prefer it over warbow). there will be way more pure 1handers. melee hybrids won't be to affected. there will be less long distance ranged spam. a lot of people without shields or with shields but stronger weapons. people with strong shields (huscarl) will not be able to have 1h + anticav weapon... i like it.

[Cyclopsided]

~In regards to Heirloom re-allocation. The point presented against it being = "People who heirloomed over powered weapon should be punished."
Thought this needed to be in this thread, too.

Speed bump mentality is not how you do anything, let alone something with the purpose of being fun.
"To prevent a handful of people from having a little more, we make sure EVERYONE has less."
Hope that works out for you. And no, I am not one of the abusers of some OP weapon like a barmace.

Also, the whole point of balance is to eliminate "the next Uber cool weapon".

Don't punish everyone because of a few.

[cmp]

you should publish expected changes - list of weapons with slot number and sheat option before coding it so you give players some 24hours for discussion.

We can't publish expected changes, simply because we don't have a finished list yet. But apparently that doesn't stop people from making things up and whining about them.

For those saying that this is just meant to remediate the failure of upkeep: I have no idea what you're talking about. Upkeep was meant to make mid-tier weapons and especially mid-tier armor more attractive, and it succeeded at that. This change tackles a different problem ("jack of all trades, master of all" hybrids) and is by no means replacing upkeep.

PS: if you're trying to influence the dev team's opinions, you might want to try with constructive criticism instead of whine. The latter just doesn't work.

[Vibe]

What would a "no-sheath" mean?

[Nemeth]

If you switch weapons or try to sheath weapon that is "no-sheath" you will drop it on the ground.

[Vibe]

If you switch weapons or try to sheath weapon that is "no-sheath" you will drop it on the ground.

Ah, nice. I guess that could work with some weapons.