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Offline MrFail97

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Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« on: September 09, 2012, 08:26:20 pm »
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Hello,
I joined yesterday and found the game to be a ton of fun, but I can't help but noticing all the 2h soldiers... and how they aways kick my ass... how do I take on these heavily armored tanks with only lamellar armor, a nomad saber and a shield?

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Re: Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2012, 09:26:56 pm »
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my tactic is, i block their attack and then counter attack them till they're dead
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Re: Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2012, 10:08:54 pm »
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Make sure you close in with them so they don't outrange you.
Never counterattack until you hear them clink against your shield until you are very comfortable with how the game mechanics work and can recognize feints. Turn into your attacks for added speed bonus damage and so you can hit sooner then normal, aim for the head for extra damage.

Regardless, they are at an inherent advantage if wearing more armor then you, so you might want to consider not engaging them until you are comfortable as a shielder or attack them with a friend. 2Hers are designed to be suberb duelists, and shielders naturally thrive fighting multiple opponents at once (I find it genuinely easier to fight two people at once then one at a time) or taking advantage of massive clusterfights in the frontline by being opportunists and distractions. One vs One is missusing a shielder's natural strengths in my opinion.

Then again, I'm 12 so what do I know.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2012, 10:12:19 pm by Tears of Destiny »
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Re: Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2012, 12:51:31 am »
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2h is borked. No counter.

I wish you luck, though.
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Re: Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2012, 12:54:34 am »
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The goal is to just not get hit by them. If you can do that, you're on the right track.
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Re: Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2012, 02:35:29 am »
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backpedal and rightswing like a "high skill" 1hander, this outreaches all 2hand animations in game except stabs
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Re: Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2012, 08:16:06 am »
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backpedal and rightswing like a "high skill" 1hander, this outreaches all 2hand animations in game except stabs
And luckily for you most of the best 2hs got 120 reach so the 1h rightswing isn't close to outreaching any of them, and the 2h stab is one of the best attacks in the game.
1H stab is the fastest, strongest and longest 1H animation. There's no reason NOT to use it in all instances. I don't know if it's OP, but it's boring. 1H used to be fun because you had a fast (left), long (right) and the most devastating attack (stab) and had to choose the best attack for each occasion.

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Re: Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2012, 08:28:49 am »
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backpedal and rightswing like a "high skill" 1hander, this outreaches all 2hand animations in game except stabs

An extra 6 length from your animation still means the vast majority of two handers will outreach you and won't really do much. This is terrible shielder advice, reach is the one thing you don't have over two-handers so why would you death-sentence yourself by S-Keying and doing exactly what they want you to do...
« Last Edit: September 10, 2012, 08:35:08 am by Tears of Destiny »
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Re: Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2012, 08:33:15 am »
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Put your shield away and take them on with a high speed 1hander.  Aim for the head.  1handers are a lot more powerful without a shield equipped, but you need to know how to manually block.
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Re: Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2012, 10:15:23 am »
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An extra 6 length from your animation still means the vast majority of two handers will outreach you and won't really do much. This is terrible shielder advice, reach is the one thing you don't have over two-handers so why would you death-sentence yourself by S-Keying and doing exactly what they want you to do...

Right swings on a 1hander give you about 45 bonus reach, 2handers get about 30 reach on sideswings.  Most 1handed swords are 100 reach, and 2hand greatswords are 120 reach.  So if you use a right swing, you basically are swinging a greatsword yourself.  Odds are you have lighter armor and more athletics than a heavy 2hander as well.  The stab on a 1hander is about as long as right swings, but are definitely more predictable. 

If you are wearing lighter armor/have higher athletics then a 2hander, this lets you dominate a "range game" player.  You can simply backpedal so they miss a swing, then immediately close the distance with a right swing.  Or if they have their guard down, you wind up a right swing while far away and sprint at them while releasing and they won't know what hit them.  2handers expect to dominate shielders on reach and speed alone very often, so instead of "doing exactly what they want you to do" you are playing one step ahead and turning their expectations against them.  Shorter blunt/pierce weapons don't literally outreach greatswords, but you can deceive people and land in easy hits with right swings at safe distances still.

Of course, there is tried and true "facehug, circlestrafe to the right and spam left swings" which will effortlessly cut through bad players but will not work against a good kicker, blocker, or hiltslasher.  1handers can be confusing up close so you can do some feinting if they can handle spam.  Stabs on all weapons have seen a decent buff with better activation times and less glances, so if you ever switch to a weapon that can stab feel free to use it at any distance.

Probably the biggest hurdle for a new player against the average 2hand kuyak douchebag is footwork and aggression.  Until you get a hang of things, just backpedal if you need space and keep them on the center of your screen at all times.  Don't be passive either.  1handers are fast with great animations, and you can get 1-2 hits in for every single hit they get on your shield, sometimes more.  Don't let spammers spam your shield, just punish them with a quick sidestep and a good swing and melee will click pretty fast.
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Re: Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2012, 02:21:16 pm »
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Footwork. It takes a lot of headbashing against the wall, but I assure you that it will break at some point. Once you have your footwork down the name of the game changes to killing them before they break your shield.

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Re: Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2012, 04:29:04 pm »
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Try a lot of weapons too, don't be fooled by shop prices there is no "best" 1h. The most expensive one, the long espada enslava is actually a very tricky and specialized weapon (it's for people who stab like 70% of the time, which not many people do). The longer straight swords at top of shop list actually have serious drawbacks, they are good for AGI chars who skirmish but not so great at close range, their sweetspots are kinda small so they glance a lot unless you know them well, and their damage is actually a bit low so you will have trouble vs heavy armour guys.

Basically go to 1h shop, go to Nordic Short War Sword and start trying weapons from that point on, 90% of them are solid weapons that have some nice, unique characteristics and you need to find one you like and are comfortable with its strengths and downsides. Then stick with it for a while and really get to know its range and timing. Also spectate shielders you see who are doing really well on charts and note their combat movements and what they do to they land hits on other players. You may not see the subtleties of their actions at first, but they are there.

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Re: Taking on heavily armored 2h soldiers as 1h medium armor class?
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2012, 04:49:27 pm »
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backpedal and rightswing like a "high skill" 1hander, this outreaches all 2hand animations in game except stabs

Fact is right swing is underused, ofcourseyou dont right swing while the 2her has already started his stab animation but you can time it right and actually outreach them sometimes, 90% of the shielders spam left/overhead feints/hold combos, whilst right swing  & stab are very usefull.

Stab tip: stab from the left to the right(animation wise), from my experience stabbing from the left to the right is easier to control then right to left.

Not that you have use for this if you use a nomad saber, but with 87 length people often underestimate the reavh of the right swing since your weapon is faily short they will soon think they are in the safe zone, the a sneaky right swing can do the trick. :) i love right swinging with short weapons tbh. :)
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