[BALANCE] Couch Lance

[Riddaren]

Balancing the game by removing options is not going to make the game more fun. That is for sure.
Individual player skill will will become less important for every such nerf, no matter the class.

You can nerf the damage done to 1. It's still a far better option than removing it.

[Riddaren]

Definitely, the heavy lance is by far superior to these couch only lances, removing the couch from the heavy lance would be a fit nerf for cav and it would fix the internal lance balance. If you want to couch, use a couch lance. Heavy lance has it all right now which is unfair. It's like a greatsword having crushthrough as well as being awesome at everything else. Anyone who disagrees with this must be cav and a heavy lance crutcher. We would get some nice cav specialization.

I also think the cooldown, which is like 20-30 seconds after a couch hit should be reduced, you spend most of your round running circles waiting for your couch to come back. I have a couch specific build, 12/24 and still I do about twice as good with a heavy lance compared to a great lance.

Then remove stab for all 2H weapons above 100 length.

[San]

Balancing the game by removing options is not going to make the game more fun. That is for sure.
Individual player skill will will become less important for every such nerf, no matter the class.

You can nerf the damage done to 1. It's still a far better option than removing it.

That's not true if it's one option (or very few) completely dominating a myriad of other options. Most of the time it's fine to expect a "best" option, but I suppose people think it's too much now.

[Camaris]

Just make it so you can chamber couched lances.

[CrazyCracka420]

Just make it so you can chamber couched lances.

As far as I knew, you could...that WAS the only way to counter them (besides it breaking your shield, dodging the lance, or taking it like a champ).

[Riddaren]

As far as I knew, you could...that WAS the only way to counter them (besides it breaking your shield, dodging the lance, or taking it like a champ).

You can chamber if you have a shield.
Atleast you could 2-3 months ago. Have not tested it since then.

[Overdriven]

Seen a lot of people using great lance recently.

However, I think the issue is not so much that heavy lance has couch, but that the couch only lances are far to short and slow for what they are. In order to make the couch only lances a viable option, they need to have a significant length advantage over the heavy lance. 230 just isn't enough over the heavy lances stab reach to make it worth while, especially when taking into account it's slower by 9 speed and heavier by 3.2. As well as like teeth said the cool down on the couch needs to be lower for couch only lances.

[moorane]

What Bjord said in his original post^^....
Or at least make couched lances chamberblockable. Wouldn't be a huge nerf but would give melee players at least a fucking CHANCE of surving it.

[BlindGuy]

What Bjord said in his original post^^....
Or at least make couched lances chamberblockable. Wouldn't be a huge nerf but would give melee players at least a fucking CHANCE of surving it.

Its fucking easy to survive: ITS THE MOST EASILY AVOIDABLE ATTACK IN THE FUCKING GAME and yet QQ about it. Guess who leads the QQ? a FUCKING 1hander. Sure, he thinks its OP, cause its fucking rock to his scissors, but any 2hander, polearmer, or even 1hander who isnt a STR built char laughs at the idea of being couched while aware. Sure, when your not looking, it rapes you, but so does a great maul overhead to your back while your fighting someone else.

THIS IS NOTHING BUT A QQ THREAD. O and BTW, I do not, and will not, play as a lancer, or any cav for that matter, since they killed my cav with the slot system and "unsheathable" tags many moons ago. I play infantry, 1hander, shielder, polearmer, 2hander, archer, crossbowman, and on NONE of them do I ever feel threatened by couched lances. EVER.

As I stated above, sure they rape you when you dont see them coming, but while your busy fighting, WHO GIVES A FUCK what backstabs you, be it couched lance, arbalest, poleaxe to the head, lolstab: GANK IS GANK.

This thread is started by a guy who is a GREAT duelist with very fast twitch reactions, but unfortunatly his awareness must be shit, and wants the game changed for HIM.

/end this thread ffs, its a joke.

[Bjord]

Calm down, your post is a serious overreaction (then again which posts of yours aren't?). I'm cav now, anyway. I still think it's too easy to score kills with couch lances, so I see no reason to "/end" it just yet.

[dodnet]

BLABLABLABLA

What a lot of shit...

[Tzar]

30 mill left for me to be able to mount my champion 4 legged noob carrier kdr booster GoCart.. 

[Casimir]

Being able to top the battle scoreboards with a great lance, riding a champion war horse while trollololing TomMyyY tells me that couching is a great and powerful tool and all should bow before its might.

[Shpritza]

Then remove stab for all 2H weapons above 100 length.

   What...i don't even...   

[Tzar]

  What...i don't even...   

Apparently cav think 2h stab is more powerfull then their x key 1 hit lol key